Posted on 05/15/2015 5:21:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
Historically, the Bible is a Catholic book. The New Testament was written, copied, and collected by Catholic Christians. The official canon of the books of the Bible was authoritatively determined by the Catholic Church in the fourth century. Thus, it is from the Catholic Church that the Protestants have a Bible at all.
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“Balaam’s ass understood God used him. He did not brag.”
Good point, except it was a she not a he.
BTW, A.D. is almost as much hogwash as the Catholic church boasting it invented the Bible. I suppose they think they invented God and the Holy Spirit, too.
Without God working through the CATHOLIC CHURCH to give the world the Bible, no one would have any idea who Jesus Christ was. The very reason some PROTESTants go bonkers when it’s brought to their attention is because they know it to be the truth and to paraquote Jack Nicholson they “CAN’T DEAL WITH THE TRUTH”! End of story.
“Oh hell, it was good ole boy Jimma Swaggard. He went back in time and wrote that thar bible. Ah shucks. Yea dem pentacostals dun be responsible for it, maybe dem baptists, since John de baptist started de baptist church in the first place, and we’s all no baptists came before Catholics.
Ok’ Jimmy appears to live in your head. I hope you’re collecting rent...
“Good point, except it was a she not a he.”
Fantastic catcch.
Leave it to God to use a woman to teach humility to a stubborn man.
Yes...or became known as Catholic shortly thereafter.
The better point is - who protected and faithfully copied both the Old and New Testaments for 1500 years before the Reformation?
“The New Testament was written, copied, and collected by Catholic Christians.”
Jesus was the one who enrolled Paul into the church, directly. Then Paul extended and extrapolated the Old Testament under the inspiration of God. Roman Catholics have nothing to do with the Old Testament and Paul never cited any other authorities.
Early (about AD 110) use of the word Catholic referring to Christians can be found here:
http://pages.jh.edu/~gcf/lessons/IgnatiusSmyrnaeans.pdf
On the second page, in the first full paragraph on the right-hand column, you will find the word universal with a footnote (11) after it. The footnote explains the original Greek word was ekatolicos, which means universal.
I chose this link because it is not a Catholic source, afaict.
First, it was not the Catholic tradition that identified the 27 books of the NT, it was the Coptic (Egypt) tradition. Athanasius the Apostolic, was the twentieth bishop of Alexandria and identified the books of the New Testament in his Easter letter of 367AD
Second, all of Christendom agrees to those 27 books as cannon.
What is in dispute are the Apocrypha and the Pseudepigrapha books. Reasons to reject the pseudepigrapha are 1) they were written under false names. Any pretense or falsehood in a book naturally negates its claim of truthfulness. 2) They contain anachronisms and historical errors. For example, in the Apocalypse of Baruch, the fall of Jerusalem occurs “in the 25th year of Jeconiah, king of Judah.” The problem is that Jeconiah was 18 years old when he began to reign, and he only reigned 3 months (2 Kings 24:8). There is no way to reconcile the “25th year” statement with the biblical account. 3) They contain outright heresy. In the pseudepigraphal Acts of John, for example, Jesus is presented as a spirit or phantasm who left no footprints when He walked, who could not be touched, and who did not really die on the cross.
Reasons for rejecting the Apocrypha: Jesus implicitly rejected the Apocrypha as Scripture by referring to the entire accepted Jewish Canon of Scripture, “From the blood of Abel [Gen. 4:8] to the blood of Zechariah [2 Chron. 24:20], who was killed between the altar and the house of God; yes, I tell you, it shall be charged against this generation (Lk. 11:51; cf. Mt. 23:35).”
Abel was the first martyr in the Old Testament from the book of Genesis while Zechariah was the last martyr in the book of Chronicles. In the Hebrew Canon, the first book was Genesis and the last book was Chronicles. They contained all of the same books as the standard 39 books accepted by Protestants today, but they were just arranged differently. For example, all of the 12 minor prophets (Hosea through Malachi) were contained in one book
Y’all, (not just you NKP_Vet) we have the bible as God intended it to be passed on.
Devout men worked by the power of the Holy Spirit to put the bible we now have together.
The petty fighting causes our witness that Jesus came to give His life so we can be free from the chain of sin is partly what makes our witness ineffective.
Jesus prayer in John 17 for those who would believe after the apostles was for unity, that we would have one heart and mind to fulfill Gods will for each one of us, and show the world that we are His by our love for one another.
We are our own worst enemy, we negate the witness of every believer with our fighting each other. We have a common enemy, and a common mission, give the good news that Jesus came to give us freedom from sin and eternal life.
No. Jesus sent St Paul to the Church.
Acts 9:5 ... The reply came, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 6 Now get up and go into the city and you will be told what you must do.”Then Paul extended and extrapolated the Old Testament under the inspiration of God.Acts 9:17 So Ananias went and entered the house; laying his hands on him, he said, “Saul, my brother, the Lord has sent me, Jesus who appeared to you on the way by which you came, that you may regain your sight and be filled with the holy Spirit.” 18 Immediately things like scales fell from his eyes and he regained his sight. He got up and was baptized, 19 and when he had eaten, he recovered his strength.
Yes. St Paul, an Apostle called by Christ, wrote Scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit... as did other Apostles and inspired authors. Not a one of them, after the life, death and resurrection of Christ, wrote Old Testament Scripture.
Roman Catholics have nothing to do with the Old Testament...
True. The Church wrote and canonized New Testament Scripture.
... and Paul never cited any other authorities.
He didn't directly, no. However, Scripture did for him in Acts.
Acts 9:26 When he arrived in Jerusalem he tried to join the disciples, but they were all afraid of him, not believing that he was a disciple. 27 Then Barnabas took charge of him and brought him to the apostles, and he reported to them how on the way he had seen the Lord and that he had spoken to him, and how in Damascus he had spoken out boldly in the name of Jesus.Once confirmed in his mission by the Church, St Paul became an emissary of the Church in his ministry ordained by Christ.Acts 13:2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 Then, completing their fasting and prayer, they laid hands on them and sent them off.
Acts 15:22 Then the apostles and presbyters, in agreement with the whole church, decided to choose representatives and to send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas.
How were the Books in the Bible Chosen to be the Canonical books of the New Testament!???
“How were the Books in the Bible Chosen to be the Canonical books of the New Testament!???”
If you do not know the historical answer to this, I suggest it is well worth your time to start with the Hebrew Scriptures and study forward from there.
Jesus didn’t say Peter upon this Rock I will build my Synagogue..
You are claiming that Jesus Christ erred when he said it would prevail against the Gates of hell when You Condemn his CATHOLIC CHURCH?
When Christ gave the Keys to Heaven and Earth only to Peter too? and his successor too? fulfilling the Old Testament steward of David..King of Jews on Earth.. then Replacing the Steward who had key to Davids Kingdom
The New Testament Books were Chosen if they contributed to the Liturgy of the Eucharist.
The New Testament is the New and Only Covenant the EUCHARIST.
The Eucharist is the BODY && BLOOD of our Lord Jesus Christ!
The Liturgy of the Eucharist was formalized in Early 2nd Century by St Justin Martyr. The Basics were used in The Apostles Boot Camp leading up to the Pentecost! It was the outline used when evangelizing in their travels too. Readings of Apostles Letters , The Lords Prayer, Discussion on one of the 10 Commandments the Bread & Wine.
The Apostles began in Synagogues, then to peoples Homes. The reason was the Jews started to dislike that the Jesus jews were Growing in Big Numbers and the apostles and Disciples and Followers were Physically threatened. Then Nero and Romans started persecuting violently Catholic Christians.
Many jews following Jesus while alive quickly gave up on him when they Walked away balking about eating the Body & Blood of Jesus Christ as Christ Commanded them to Do in Johns Gospel.
All of the Teachings especially Concerning THE REAL PRESENCE of the EUCHARIST are supported by the Early Church fathers.
in 78 AD St Ignatius of Antioch who was recruited and Baptized by St John the Apostle and traveled on 3 of the 5 Pilgrimages with Apostle Peter, wrote Profoundly on the Eucharistic Communion Bread was the actual body of Christ!
Wine was his actual blood!
Christ was the New testament Mana from Heaven!
Bethlehem is known as the Town of BREAD...How Prophetic!
A;; Books were all chosen as they contributed to the Liturgy of the Eucharist. That was the 1st criteria!
The Eucharist was the Only Covenant of the NEW Testament!
In the end, does it really matter? We have The Bible, enough said.
The Letters as you call them are the basis of the Liturgy of the Eucharist authored by St Justin Martyr around 128 AD
This is the wording of the Holy Mass the Eucharistic Celebration The ONLY Covenant of the New testament. The Body and Blood Soul & Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ who died for the atonement of our sins and those of the WHOLE WORLD!
Read In JOHN about the REal Presence in the Eucharist and what Jesus Christ told the Jews what would happen if they refused to Believe and Eat his Body and Drink his Blood.
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