Posted on 04/20/2015 1:46:59 PM PDT by NYer
You give him too much credit. He doesn’t have the leading of the Holy Spirit to reveal the understanding of the Word of God. Thus, he tries to make man as confused as he is about Scriptural matters that are revealed to the Saints...us.
He is not worthy of any worship.
Good thing Catholics never post hit pieces on Protestants.
YOPIOS. By what authority do YOU interpret scripture?
“You give him too much credit. He doesn’t have the leading of the Holy Spirit to reveal the understanding of the Word of God.”
Sure, but I spoke merely of his knowledge of the Word, not necessarily understanding. My point is that Satan clearly is not as cartoonish as some would depict when it comes to holy things, if he has the entire Bible memorized. To believe he is like some vampire recoiling from crosses is, I think, extremely foolish.
Jesus Himself was confronted by the same concern: the Pharisees charged that he drove out demons by the power of Beelzebul. He rightly answered that "If Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand; that is the end of him" (Mark 3:26).
Do not confuse miracles with superstition. The Church has never been without the kinds of wonders described in the Acts of the Apostles. They glorify God. And that makes the demons tremble.
That's what happens when you don't follow the truth.
You never get caught in contradictions when you speak it and beleive it. The only time you get exposed is when promoting lies because they are not internally consistent.
By what authority do you, or any other catholic, do the same when you make your understanding of Scripture?
Especially in light of all the passages where Jesus promises that our FATHER will hear and answer those prayers to Him.
It's like they don't even believe God will come through like He promised.
Ping
Hypocritical, to say the least.
They glorify personalities. And that makes the demons tremble gleefully party.
Roman Catholicism is a cult of personalities...
You are wise enough, I think, to get the gist of this. We pray "to" saints only in the sense that we are praying "for" intercession.
It's all seen in the context of the Body of Christ, of which we, and the saints gone on before us, are all still living members, sharing spiritual goods and having a loving contact which is of lasting significance in the eyes of Our Lord. NKP, if I have said anything wrong, please correct me.
The catholic position ignores the Biblical position on this issue.
We do not have any injunction or example of praying to the departed believers.
Praying for the departed does them no good. Their destiny is determined at death. They either die as a Christian and will go to Heaven, or they will die as a non-Christian and go to Hell. Once your earthly body stops working it is too late.
If the catholic position were correct, then the simple thing to do would be to pray everyone into Heaven. This would completely undercut every teaching in the NT about how one comes to faith in Christ.
What about “having a loving contact which is of lasting significance in the eyes of Our Lord” is found in Scripture? You make it sound as if God is pleased when we pray to the saints in heaven. Is this what you are saying?
If you have asked them to pray for you then you have prayed to them. This is not to be confused with worship which is only directed to God.
The ignorance of the scriptures and Christianity by Catholics (at any level) is astounding...I just shake my head when a Catholic tries to expound on the scriptures...
As Christians, our prayers do not go to heaven...Not in this dispensation, anyway...And you don't even know why...
1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
That's how God knows even the thoughts of every Christian...I and every Christian is closer to God than any supposed Saint in heaven...
This is not a great mystery since it's revealed thru-out the New Testament...If Catholics have read the scriptures, they know this stuff is in there...The problem is unbelief...
Wow. Persecution complex much???
Catholicism is not mentioed ONCE in that thread and Catholics do not own the rights to the term "communion of the saints".
That was no hit piece on Catholics, it was simply a discussion of what it is.
Y'all Catholics need to get over yourselves.
I am not surprised in the least at your response. I figured some Catholic somewhere would take it personally.
When Catholics say that they pray to the saints they are using the legitimate meaning of making a request, i.e. for the saints to pray to God for us. To suggest that Catholics mean anything else is to bear false witness.
Catholics. The perenially tongue in cheek challenged.
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