Posted on 04/20/2015 1:46:59 PM PDT by NYer
And catholics are not exempt from that.
They are also depending on their own interpretation of what is truth and they have chosen to throw in their lot with someone else.
Just because they agree with the prepackaged version Rome offers, does not mean it’s any less their interpretation.
It’s their interpretation that Rome and its interpretation is correct.
These and many other texts speak in varied ways of Mary as Mediatrix of all graces, so often that the teaching has become infallible.
Thank you for providing this information. It illustrates my point that not every statement from a Catholic is Sacred Tradition. As much as Fr. Most would like, all of the texts that he referenced taken together do not represent infallibility. Mary as Mediatrix of all graces is not a dogma of the Church and there does not appear to be a great desire by the Vatican to make it dogma.
I’m sorry, did I say the Bereans had any authority? No I did not. I said that they searched the scriptures daily to see if the things that were said authoritatively were in fact scriptural. Which is exactly what we are called to do. That way we don’t end up believing nonsense spewed from fallible men who are somehow believed to possess truth from outside God’s Word.
When we see and hear you guys giving the glory of God to others by asking them to provide only what God can provide, and dedicate your lives to them (Mary) you reveal what’s in your heart for all to see, not just God...
What you think you see and hear is not what is.
Lucem Gentium 60. states: There is but one Mediator as we know from the words of the apostle, “for there is one God and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a redemption for all”.(298) The maternal duty of Mary toward men in no wise obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows His power. For all the salvific influence of the Blessed Virgin on men originates, not from some inner necessity, but from the divine pleasure. It flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on His mediation, depends entirely on it and draws all its power from it. In no way does it impede, but rather does it foster the immediate union of the faithful with Christ.
2. You lack context for the papal statements about Mary. To pick out just one example: the quote from Pope Leo's encyclical on the Rosary --- the one that starts out "We constantly seek help from Heaven" --- goes on to say, "[She] has a favor and power with her son greater than any human or angelic creature has ever obtained or ever can gain". Thus this is a "favor and power" derivative from her intercession with her Son.
She is a petitioner, not a potentate!
Pope Leo cited St. Dominic as saying he composed the Rosary "as to recall the mysteries of our salvation in succession": its purpose is to meditate on the salvation obtained for us by Jesus Christ, "the way, the truth, and the life".
That's called "Christocentric".
Pope Leo mentions the trials facing the Church at the time (he was writing in 1883): the attacks on Christian piety, public morality, aggressive agnosticism and atheism, and crimes against Christian faith itself, and says that the aim of our prayer is that "God who is the avenger of crime, moved to mercy and pity may deliver Christendom and civil society from all dangers, and restore to them peace so much desired." So we are begging for God's mercy and pity at a time of crime and danger, and Mary is invoked in the role of "top beggar".
I do not blame you for omitting all this context about intercession, because I suppose you have not read the whole encyclical. Neither have I. (If I am wrong, and you have read the whole thing, then I apologize: but then I must also wonder how it was that these contexts disappeared.)
Bottom line: this is all about Mary, a handmaid and member of the Body of Christ, offering prayers to God: not some bogus goddess. With the rest of Christendom, I thank God for granting her highest honor among His servants. (See tagline.)
Until tomorrow, a peaceful evening to you.
We know who you THINK she is and we know who you are...
We should all want to go directly to God. However, because we lack perfection in the virtues of faith, humility, obedience, and love, we therefore lack perfection in our desire and direction.
And that's why Jesus died on the Cross...Because no matter what, regardless of the mother of Jesus, we can never attain what is requied of God to get to heaven...Jesus paid the FULL price...Mary can't help you get to heaven any more than Cassius Clay...
It is not unlike asking your wife to iron your shirt before you go to church.
Christians wear 'wash and wear'...
You do understand this in from a catholic website....right?
I learn a lot that way.
Great synopsis...
It doesn't take perfection in any virtue to decide to go directly to God.
It's merely a choice we make whether we are going to obey His commands on who to pray to or not.
Those who believe Him and trust Him and take Him at His word will go to Him in prayer, believin He Himself will answer those prayers Himself.
Those who don't trust Him, who pray in unbelief, will go to someone else to try to get from God what they don't believe He will give them Himself.
Again, for the catholic, everything has to go through Mary. In many ways it sure seems she replaces Christ in the life of the catholic.
Why not just focus on John 14:6 and study the life of Christ? Keep Him as the main focus.
Everyone, stop making this thread ‘about’ individual Freepers. Discuss the message, not the messenger.
I believe the point was that He was addressing the FATHER...and we should too.
Presuming is something you apparently do well...
By what means have you achieved a level of knowledge and understanding of Catholic teaching sufficient to make your observations anything more that amateurish opinions?
Then you must be a Protestant!!
"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours." — Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)
Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema. — Vatican 1, Ses. 4, Cp. 1
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