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[Response to 2013 WSJ article] Cultural Catholicism and the End of Life: “You Earned It”
309 words of Wall Street Journal article posted on triablogue Blogspot ^ | Wall Street Journal August 29, 2013 : blog on August 30, 2013 | by PAUL MOSES Wall Street Journal copied by John Bugay

Posted on 04/17/2015 12:12:16 PM PDT by RnMomof7

I’ve mentioned that Roman Catholicism is so onerous because it puts its hooks in you at various times in your life – from baptism as a child, to “first confession” and “first holy communion”, then Confirmation as an early teen, then marriage, baptism of your own children, etc. It’s a programmatic cycle.

There is another point at which Rome is prominent, and that is at death. As the “Baby Boom” generation continues to age and die, people will continue to be focused on this phase of life, either as people focused on the end of their own lives, or that of their aging parents.

Paul Moses, a journalism professor at Brooklyn College/CUNY”, has written a piece for the Wall Street Journal this morning entitled “A Liberal Catholic and Staying Put”, which puts this in view.

Beginning the article with some comments from the atheistic “Freedom From Religion Foundation”, which urged discontented, liberal-minded Catholics to “Summon your fortitude, and just go”, he rejects this notion with the following comments:

To me, these invitations reflect a shallow view of the Catholic Church that reduces its complex journey to the points where it intersects with the liberal social agenda. Pope Francis’ pastoral approach has shown a more merciful, less judgmental face of the church—one that always existed but needed to be more prominent in the public arena.

After my father died last year, I realized that my instinctive resistance to these “just go” arguments—from the atheists, the secularists, the orthodox, the heterodox or anyone else—runs deep. It began when I observed how impressively the church was there for me in a moment of need (emphasis added).

This is where the programmatic structure of Roman Catholicism vis–à–vis human life comes into play. And while Moses accuses the “atheists, secularists, orthodox, heterodox, and anyone else” of having a “shallow” view of “the Catholic Church”, here basically is a basically shallow and un-engaged liberal New York professor coming into touch with the ritual shallowness of “the Church” and liking it.

Early on the morning after he died, I went to my father's parish, St. Peter's in lower Manhattan, to find out what to do to bury him. I found one of the priests in the sacristy after the early Mass. The Rev. Alex Joseph took my hands in his, spoke a beautiful prayer, told me of his own father's death years earlier and added, "Our fathers are always with us." I was much moved.

Given Professor Moses’s credentials, both as a professor and as a Roman Catholic, I found myself wondering why he would be first of all surprised, and then “much moved” by such a shallow and basically universalist statement by the priest “our fathers are always with us”. It seems to me that this priest was hedging his bets.

For any of you pastors who have had to attend at funerals of non-believers, you are probably aware of the difficulties of addressing this situation.

In Moses’s case, his father was a life-long Roman Catholic.

We decided to have my father's funeral in the Staten Island parish where he had worshiped for 25 years … Bernard L. Moses, who died at 88, had loved Father Madigan’s homilies, and to hear [Father Madigan] speak at the funeral Mass was to understand why. My father had advanced up the ranks of the New York City Housing Authority to director of management. Citing his concern for tenants, Father Madigan used the traditional Catholic term “corporal work of mercy” to describe what my father did. It explained for me, in those difficult moments, why my father, who was well-schooled in Catholic social teachings, had passed up the opportunity for a more pleasant career in academia, or a more lucrative one managing private housing, to work in housing projects instead.

Again, Moses is surprised by the motivations behind his own father’s career choices – that his father’s position in the liberal government program is reinforced by “Catholic social teachings”. The father’s life was spent first of all on “the sacramental treadmill” on Sundays, then during the week, doing government-sponsored “corporal works of mercy” was enough to get him into heaven, under the liberal Roman Catholic schema.

If we wonder why the United States can so willingly adopt the liberal agenda, this is one great and largely invisible source of power for that engine.

This article reminded me of something quite the opposite, related by J.I. Packer in his “A Quest for Godliness: The Puritan Vision of the Christian Life”. Packer said:

Few of us, I think, live daily on the edge of eternity in the conscious way that the Puritans did, and we lose out as a result. For the extraordinary vivacity, even hilarity (yes, hilarity; you will find it in the sources), with which the Puritans lived stemmed directly, I believe, from the unflinching, matter-of-fact realism with which they prepared themselves for death, so as always to be found, as it were, packed up and ready to go (emphasis added). Reckoning with death brought appreciation of each day’s continued life, and the knowledge that God would eventually decide, without consulting them, when their work on earth was done brought energy for the work itself while they were still being given time to get on with it (pg 14).

The Roman Catholic system is an on-going treadmill that in no way takes into account the realities of God’s Biblical Revelation – neither the joys of it, nor the realities – but rather, wraps itself around its own processes and the false salve of “you earned it” to the dying and reassurance that “you can still earn it” to shallow, unthinking liberal Roman Catholics like the professor Paul Moses.


TOPICS: Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: death; liberalism; tradition
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To: Dick Vomer

Dick Vomer:

The article is by a former Catholic who is by all accounts, based on my researching his blog, a salesman [maybe used car salesman???]. Regardless, he is just a self-anointed Protestant Pope with an internet blog. Again, unless someone can provide evidence to me, I don’t think he is a theologian by training or Protestant Pastor or Reverend via formal seminary training. Again, from best I can tell, he states his professional job is in some sort of sales.


101 posted on 04/18/2015 6:26:59 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; caww; Alex Murphy

Aquinas:

You beat me too it. I was going to link the Martyrdom of Saint Polycarp, Bishop, and disciple of the Apostle Saint John. This is as close to Apostolic times as you can get, as Saint John the Apostle would have been alive within recent memory of many of Saint [Bishop] Polycarp’s parishoners

Alex, I pinged you here as earlier you had a quote regarding relics, and an article questioning whether the relics discussed in the article were actually canonized saints. If the relics were martyr’s during Roman persecutions in the period prior to Theodosius making Catholicism-Christianity the state religion in circa 380, then by definition, they would be recognized as saints without the strict formal canonization process that we think of today.

http://newadvent.org/fathers/0102.htm


102 posted on 04/18/2015 6:33:26 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: caww

caww:

There body is still there. The soul is not there. But, at the end of time, all the early Creeds affirm the orthodox doctrine of the “resurrection of the body/dead”, which of course goes right against one of the dominate early heresies, Gnosticism.

So honoring the dead is not a heresy, in fact, it actually affirms the reality of the Incarnation of Christ that his death and resurrection overcame sin and death and those who die in communion with Christ will share in his resurrection, entirely, the whole person [Soul and Body]. What that body will look like in heaven, nobody knows, but as the Apostle John says, we will look like him [1 John 3:2] Numerous other passages affirm a resurrection of the body [2 Peter 1:4. Phillipians 3:20-21; 2 Cor 3:18].


103 posted on 04/18/2015 6:40:39 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564
..."whether the relics discussed in the article were actually canonized saints"....

Wouldn't matter if they were homogenized or canonized....they remain dead corpses no matter how you dress them up or don't dress them.


104 posted on 04/18/2015 6:42:07 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

caww:

Well they are dead, but they are dead saints. So Polycarp’s Martyred bones were visible reminders of someone who persevered even in the face of death.

So we agree, they are dead from our human perspective, but in reality, they are more alive than us. That is where we part. Catholics see those martyred as completely part of the Communion of Saints [affirmed in Apostles Creed]. You and your tradition does not. Fair enough.


105 posted on 04/18/2015 6:47:30 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: LadyDoc; sparklite2; RnMomof7; metmom; Alex Murphy

**several Protestant countries became communist...East Germany and Czechoslovakia come to mind.**

IIRC Germany and Czechoslovakia “became” Communist when they were taken over a larger nation, one that was Orthodox before it became atheistic and Communist. Remember the USSR?


106 posted on 04/18/2015 6:49:23 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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To: CTrent1564

We are not our bodies...our soul and spirit are simply housed in the flesh while we are here.

“We have this treasure in earthen vessels” (2 Corinthians 4:7)


107 posted on 04/18/2015 6:50:34 AM PDT by caww
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To: CTrent1564

If they are Christians they are with Him. Their corpse remains here...it’s “earthly”... Dust to dust sort of thing because it is dead.


108 posted on 04/18/2015 6:54:43 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

That would be way to simple for the Catholic mindset.


110 posted on 04/18/2015 6:55:19 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: caww

caw:

Here is a nice summary of Relics, as even the Protestant Church Historian notes, no Church Doctor or Father ever rejected it and there are some passages in the scriptures that relics of some sort were associated with Miracles indicating that God does work through matter to bring about spiritual things. This of course is not surprising to any Catholic or Orthodox Christian worth his or her salt, for this follows logically from the reality of the Incarnation of Christ.

So I will take Saint Polycarp, Jerome, Augustine, etc as evidence supporting my view, you can take all the Free Republic Protestant self anointed prophets and theologians and other internet self anointed theologians to support your view. Again, fair enough.

http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/things/relics.htm


111 posted on 04/18/2015 6:55:22 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: caww

caw:

I am going to ask you a very specific question.

Do you believe in the Resurrection of the Body? Yes or No


112 posted on 04/18/2015 6:56:50 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: Gamecock

Russia became communist because of incompetent leadership on the part of the Czar and the Duma (something that still goes on today), the unbelievable poverty and the true exploitation of the masses. That the communists exploited them as well as practicing genocide is another matter.


113 posted on 04/18/2015 6:57:50 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: CTrent1564; caww
>>Do you believe in the Resurrection of the Body? Yes or No<<

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the rising again of the dead: it is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption; 43 it is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body;

Catholics choose to venerate the dishonoured body.

114 posted on 04/18/2015 7:06:59 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: caww; St_Thomas_Aquinas
I may visit my mom and dad's graves from time to time but I do not do the following:

1) pray to mom and dad

2) expect them to be able to do anything for me

3) don't kneel before their graves

So in short, this Christian does not worship the departed ones who have gone on before us.

As Peter told Cornelius when Cornelius had fallen at his feet to worship him, "Stand up, for I too am just a man." (Acts 10:25-26 NASB)

115 posted on 04/18/2015 7:12:44 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: miss marmelstein

Let’s stay on track.

The post I was responding to was about East Germany and Czechoslovakia, Protestant nations, going Commie.

They didn’t go Commie, now did they?


116 posted on 04/18/2015 7:17:52 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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To: Gamecock

Can you clear up what you wrote? I don’t understand it. East Germany was certainly a communist country. I don’t think any religion had anything to do with countries being taken over by madmen and thugs. Our nation has always been a Protestant nation - and look what’s happening to it.


117 posted on 04/18/2015 7:26:28 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: detective; Sparklite

eh, sparklite, you kinda went quite there - no mindless retort at the ready?


118 posted on 04/18/2015 7:32:20 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: CTrent1564
You and your tradition does not. Fair enough.

Matthew 22:
29 Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
119 posted on 04/18/2015 7:39:09 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: ealgeone
Most people in Catholic graveyards are planting flowers or leaving flowers. Just like they do at the Episcopal graveyard across the street from where I live.
120 posted on 04/18/2015 7:40:22 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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