Didn't Hebrews 11 address this??
If not...
Posted on 04/12/2015 11:16:47 AM PDT by RnMomof7
The following is an edited transcript of the audio.
Are Christians under the 10 commandments?
No. The Bible says we're not under the law.
I love Romans 7:4-6. By way of analogy, it says that you are married to the law. And you better stay married because if you leave this husband and go marry another you are going to be called an adulterer. But if your husband dies, then you can go and remarry.
And then Paul draws the analogy out—a little complex the way he does it—saying that you died to the law. You aren't married anymore, you can have another husband, namely Christ. He's raised from the dead.
So, our approach towards ethics is different. We don't ask the question, "Am I under the law?" We are under grace. The law is already fulfilled perfectly by Jesus. We are in Jesus and as far justification goes, God sees it as completed for you, one-hundred percent. He says, "You've trusted my Son. You've been grafted in him. You are in Christ Jesus and he fulfilled the law perfectly. He covered all your sins." God sees you in and through Christ, therefore, as far as final judgment goes God is 100% for you. That is settled and nothing is going to change it.
Now, shall we sin that grace may abound? Paul says, "Dead men don't sin." If you've died to sin, how can you still live in it? The new birth is the writing of the law on our heart so that we are not under it, it is under us. It is just coming out.
The way we strive towards being obedient, holy and loving people is not by getting up in the morning and pulling the list out of our pocket. No! We get on our knees and we open ourselves to the whole counsel of God in the Bible. We saturate and shape ourselves by everything he has done, he is doing and he will do. We stake our lives in the gospel and then instead of serving the law, we serve one another in love.
Love is the fruit of faith in Jesus—faith working through love. And if you ask, "What does love look like?" First John says, "It keeps the commandments." That brings us back to the question, which commandments? I would say, the ones that are loving.
Love God and do as you please is not bad advice, if you're bent on holiness. If you're bent on love the ten commandments are really important. You should hang them on your wall and you should measure your life by them, but in a very different way than when you were under them, because they have been kept for you.
You are now married to the risen Christ. You are not married to the law and the oldness of the letter, but to the newness of the Spirit. Our whole approach towards transformation, love and life is different than list keeping.
Didn't Hebrews 11 address this??
If not...
Show your work...
Just like Catholics; who can go to 'confession' to get rid of guilt.
Some came to Jesus and asked him “ what are the works of the father that the father would have us to do ? “ and Jesus told them, that the works of the father is to believe on the one whom the father has sent.
What are the commandments of the father and Jesus ?
To obey the gospel, the gospel message....
To obey the truth, for grace and truth came by Jesus Christ..
What is the truth of THE gospel ?
That God saved us by Jesus Christ by grace through faith... That there is God’s command
For the life of me, I will never understand how people conclude that just because we are not under the Law any more, Christians think that gives them a license to sin.
So true, if you break one commandment ?
Then your guilty of breaking ALL the commandments.
Has every one kept all the commandments faithfully since birth yes or no ?
There is no more ritual of sacrificing bulls and goats and the temple is no more, so if you don’t trust Christ’s sacrifice and his blood attone for your sins ?
Then your already found guilty of breaking ALL the commandments and your just sentencing is hell and the lake of fire.
If your trusting in the law ? Your not trusting in Jesus Christ and his sacrifice and blood... It is as simple as that.
God’s intrinsic nature cannot change, but He can certainly deal with sin as He sees fit, and under the new covenant, He sees fit to forgive it because the price was paid by Jesus.
What’s that term ?
Oh yeah, it’s called : Indulgence.
Pay the priest money to indulge in sin..
Pretend to be a “ good saint “ in public,
Do good deeds and works so that every one can see your self righteous acts ( and lie to your self, and delude your self that those good works and deeds, and keeping the law will some how earn your way to heaven and God ).
BUT ? hide the evil and sins away from every one, and in your heart.
Keep pretending that your OK and better and holier than thou.
THEN ? go see the priest,
Confess, guilt Cleansed,
Pay the priest some “ indulgence “ money,
then go back out break all the commandments,
and repeat all over again,
sin as much as you want until you run out of “ indulgence money “ ....
Except ?
That’s not biblical....
The post I responded to said the Commandments are dead. If that’s true, why honor them? Let the dead bury the dead.
Perhaps you should read John 13:34. It's NEW.
Did not God say that he was going to make a NEW and EVERLASING convenant ? And do away with the old convenant ?
Did not God say that when he makes this new and everlasting covenant that he ?
Will remember our sins no more, and our unrighteousness deeds, iniquities that he will blot them out ?
And trow our sins away from him as far as the east if from the west ?
Yup, that’s God’s doing, not ours...
It seems that the one’s who want to keep remembering our sins after God has already delt with our sins are them who are the law enforcement squad..
God doesn’t need help from them to enforce his law.
He has already enforced and fulfilled his law perfectly in the person of Jesus Christ...
GOD SAID HIM SELF, that HE will remember our sins no more....
That is ?
For those who are already IN CHRIST,
That is ? . No one else can claim this, only those who are IN Christ already...
Those who deny Christ,
Who are trying to keep the law ?
Are STILL IN THEIR SINS, and are guilty.
The very essence of God, his soul, his being, is LOVE
Exodus 20:1-17, orders from God.
The law was a covenant with God’s chosen people, not Jews. I don’t believe the tribe of Judah even existed at that time.
Shall we consider ourselves as God’s chosen people, or not?
“For the life of me, I will never understand how people conclude that just because we are not under the Law any more, Christians think that gives them a license to sin.”
Scripture shuns the idea of license, but hardly obsesses over it to the degree lordship/works salvationists do. No one can pull the wool over the LORD’S eyes anyway, right?
“You have done these things, and I kept silent;
you thought I was just like you.
But I will rebuke you
and lay out the case before you.”—Psalm 50
and
“...no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.”—Hebrews 4:13
Someone accused Paul of teaching, in effect, “And why not do evil that good may come?” (Romans 3:8). He denies it, but note that he WAS accused of it. Won’t believers who stand for the same Gospel be thusly accused?
Basically, we are no longer obligated to try to keep a Law that nobody could keep in the first place.
Tozer wrote a book called Knowledge of the Holy which addresses the attributes of God quite nicely.
Matter of fact, I’ve been posting threads from it recently.
If you’re interested in reading them, just do a keyword search for Tozer.
The first couple chapters start out slow, but wowee, does it get deep. The nice thing about that book is that the chapters are really relatively short so it’s easy to do in small bites.
There are many things that are attributed to God’s nature, but the very core, soul, being, essence of God is pure love.
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