Posted on 04/05/2015 4:56:11 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
In an article entitled Saint Patrick the Baptist?, Stephen R. Button tries to claim St. Patrick for Evangelical Protestantism... or at least disassociate him from Roman Catholicism. Button is hardly alone: you can find similar attempts by Don Boys and others, some of them dating back several decades.
The argument tends to work like this. From Patrick, we have (in Button's words) only the “84 short paragraphs that make up both his Confession and his 'Letter to Coroticus.'” Baptist authors then mine these texts for any doctrines that Patrick doesn't mention explicitly, and then claim that he must have held the Baptist view.
(Excerpt) Read more at catholicdefense.blogspot.it ...
quoted TO Catholics, sounds like an absolutely PERFECT depiction of protestantism.........PERFECT
You need to wake up and smell the coffee...pay attention as to what an annulment is...
you find our that your wife's adoption has been opened and that she was the daughter of a girl who was 14.
you further find out that the girl of 14 was your mother....your "wife" is your older sister......O.K. for an annulment now????
You presume he spoke for the entire church.
protestants are either wrong or incomplete Christians...so why shouldn't they??
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Patrick was definitely not a Roman Catholic!
In fact the roman thugs had a price on his head for a long time.
They finally catholicised him posthumously in an attempt to placate the irish.
Patrick was a descendant of the real followers of the Way that had migrated north more than a century before the catholic cult was formed by Constantine.
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There was no other Church at the time. The Church existed BEFORE the Bible was assembled by the Catholic Church in AD 382. And no there was no other Church that existed for nearly a 1000 years until the Great Schism 1054.
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Ignatius of course had nothing to do with the abomination that Constantine founded. He shared none of the heresy that is the hallmark of Constantine’s cult.
This is the outrage in all of this; Constantine’s army of thugs tries to adopt real believers, long after they are dead.
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Uh yes there was another church.....it was centered on Christ. There was no pope, no worship of Mary, no indulgences, no purgatory, no cardinals no primates, no works for salvation....I could keep going but you get the idea. Then came the roman catholic church in the 3rd/4th century. Just shows how quickly you can get off track.
This is nuts. Christ established ONE Church, a visible Church, a Church on a hill. What you say is not only contradicted by Scripture but by every eminent theologian including Protestant historians and theologians. This is beyond being shallow even for Bible Christians.
Thus the early Church historian J. N. D. Kelly, a Protestant, writes,
“[W]here in practice was [the] apostolic testimony or tradition to be found? . . . The most obvious answer was that the apostles had committed it orally to the Church, where it had been handed down from generation to generation. . . . Unlike the alleged secret tradition of the Gnostics, it was entirely public and open, having been entrusted by the apostles to their successors, and by these in turn to those who followed them, and was visible in the Church for all who cared to look for it” (Early Christian Doctrines, 37).
Yes, the Catholic Church we know today came in the fourth century, worship of Mary apparently started in somewhere between the first and second councils of Nicea (sic)
Some may be in the Book, but ...THEY ARE ALL DEAD, JIM!
And show me where Paul, Peter or any NT writer said to pray to Mary, worship mary, etc.
You are missing the whole point. Christ founded ONE Church, gave that Church infallible authority, the very authority that it gave the world God’s written word but also carried with it the great sacred oral tradition as shown in John 21: 25. God’s unwritten word did not blow away in the desert air. It’s crazy isn’t it when Protestants from the 16th century try to tell Catholic how they must interpret God’s Word (written and unwritten) as it did for 15 centuries before Protestantism and continues to do to this day and till the end of time where the gates of hell shall never prevail against it.
Try St. Luke, verse 26 to verse 55. It is very hard to understand how any Christian can study this passage and then refuse to honor Mary. Why, the “Hall Mary,” which Catholics love to address to the Blessed Virgin, is explicitly given there; part of it was said by the angel Gabriel and part by Elizabeth. The angel was inspired by God and Elizabeth “was filled with the Holy Ghost” (v. 41). Let us put together the words that the angel Gabriel and Elizabeth addressed to Mary: “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed are thou among women” (v. 28). “Blessed are thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.”
Here we have the salutation that Catholics address to Mary. The only addition we have made are the two names, “Mary” and “Jesus.” So that, in saying the Hail, Mary, Catholics are explicitly following the Bible.
You will notice, that Mary in that sublime canticle known as the Magnificat, which is recorded by the inspired writer from verse 46 to 55, declared:
“Behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed” (v. 48).
Who, then fulfills this prophecy: those who refuse to apply the adjective blessed to the Virgin Mary, or Catholics, who love to call Mary the Blessed Virgin?
If St. Paul asked the Romans to “help him in their prayers for him to God” (Rom. 15:16); if he wrote to the Thessalonians, “Pray for us,” why may we not ask Mary, who is far holier and nearer to God than the Roman and Thessalonian converts, to “pray for us”? In fact, we read in the Old Testament that God positively commanded Eliphaz and his two friends to go to the holy man Job and seek his intercession: “My servant Job shall pray for you; his face I will accept, that folly be not imputed to you” (Job 42:8).
Even Protestant poets, in their moments of poetic rapture, writing exquisite things about the Blessed Virgin. The following beautiful lines come from the pen of that great English (Protestant) poet. William Wordsworth:
“Mother whose virgin bosom was uncrossed
With the least shade of thought to sin allied.
Woman! above all women glorified,
Our tainted nature’s solitary boast;
Purer than foam on central ocean tossed;
Brighter than eastern skies at daybreak strewn
With fancied roses; than unblemished moon
Before her wane begins on heaven’s blue coast.”
Not missing anything!
Because a cult member believes the lies of their group and are so thoroughly indoctrinated as to offer the same lies as A truth is laughable...
You are missing more than the point! You are more likely missing God's Truths! God never granted special rites or rights to cults, and because a group claims to be the only path to God only reinforces their apparent decisions to ignore Scripture and listen to those guys in funny hats...
Sacred oral tradition may buy you a cup of coffee as long as you pay for the candle as well! Good luck with your working your way into heaven.
Hahahahahaaaa indeed!
Then what do we do with evidence that the pre-Constantinian Christians had a hierarchy of bishops, presbyters and deacons; the seven Sacrament of the Catholic Church; venerations of saints; devotion to Mary; the sacrifice of the Mass; etc.? The church prior to Constantine looks pretty much like the one after Constantine.
quoted TO Catholics, sounds like an absolutely PERFECT depiction of protestantism.........PERFECT
Being roman catholic or being protestant are trash in in Gods eyes. He will turn away those who have performed miracles in His name for a reason, do you know what that reason is. Have you done a miracle in his name? Fear and trembling should be the agenda for the day.
So now what do you do? How do you test the truth if we are warned there are false prophets and leaders?
Good question. Unless you claim a private infallibility how are you to know who are the false prophets? Perhaps you yourself could be a false prophet. If only our Lord had established one true church with a leadership commissioned by him to teach the truth in his Name and protected by the Holy Spirit from teaching error. Hmm…
That's one of the ways we know the forger of those writings attributed to Ignatius was lying; a fake...
The apostles never made any such ridiculous claims...
and against which the gates of hell would not prevail.
... then there would be no excuse for missing the homework assignments.
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