Posted on 03/24/2015 3:57:42 PM PDT by NYer
So sorry you have such a misunderstanding of scripture.
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.Another totally, categorically false assertion on your part.
The “sufficiency of Christ” is his ability to rightly judge at the Day of Trumpets on the authority of his righteous shed blood. That blood is what makes his judgement sufficient!
His sufficiency bears not upon any other! He will judge, and it will not be subject to question. No one can claim what is his alone, and no scripture offers such.
The path to salvation is clearly written in scripture: Confess, repent, sin no more, to the end.
1John 2
[1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
[2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
If you have an argument with what John wrote, argue with him, next time you see him. .
John disagrees with your path as he recognizes, as did Paul, Peter and every one else, that we still will commit sins.
1John 2 [1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
The wonderful, and humbling aspect of Christianity is that even though we may still sin, Christ has forgiven all who believe of their sins.
What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found?
2For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
3For what does the Scripture say? ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.
4Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due.
5But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
6just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.
8BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
Sure doesn't sound like Abraham was waiting for Judgment Day to see if he got into Heaven.
And we also know that he sinned after this and he still got into Heaven.
We can say the same for David, Peter, Paul, etc.
John also penned these words expressing the confidence of the desire of Jesus, that we be where He is.....Heaven.
Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. (John 17:24, NASB)
Hebrews 6: 1] Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
[2] Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
[3] And this will we do, if God permit.
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[7] For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
[8] But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
This is what you posted from Hebrews.
If you believe this, which I've asked you if you do and you refuse to answer, then it teaches that once you lose your salvation, there are no second chances.
I'll ask you again....is this what YOU believe. You posted it so you have to answer.
To believe, in the Hebrew tradition, is to follow in minute detail, at the cost of your life if you fail.
One who believes doesn't parse scripture for a more desirable meaning. One who believes follows every commandment, and lives by every reason given, without question.
If one who lives this way makes a small mistake, it is not charged to him. That is called Grace.
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And thanks for admitting that you do not believe Hebrews 6.
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One who believes doesn't parse scripture for a more desirable meaning. One who believes follows every commandment, and lives by every reason given, without question.
If one who lives this way makes a small mistake, it is not charged to him. That is called Grace.
Dude....the verses I posted and "parsed" as you suggest were from a prior post you posted.
The question I asked still remains unanswered by you and I guess it shall. Perhaps you are afraid to answer the question. Because if Heb 6 teaches what you suggest it does, there is no second chance of getting your salvation back if you lose it.
I will ask again....is that what you really believe??
Surely the roman catholic church has a number or a list. What say you?
Still waiting on how many good works you say we have to do.......
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You parsed the chapter I posted down to one verse which you proceeded to turn on its head.
Hebrews 6 tells it exactly as it is. Those that turn away get no second chance, just as Paul and Peter say in great detail.
Why would you think someone that turns away should have any chance? It makes a joke out of Grace.
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Hebrews 6 tells it exactly as it is. Those that turn away get no second chance, just as Paul and Peter say in great detail.
Why would you think someone that turns away should have any chance? It makes a joke out of Grace.
You seem to have an understanding problem....verses from Hebrews I posted were the ones you posted. If you can't understand that, then I guess this conversation is about done.
The only conversation you need worry about is the one you’ll have at the Great White Throne.
There won’t be any second chances awarded there.
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>> “You seem to have an understanding problem....verses from Hebrews I posted were the ones you posted” <<
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Nice diversion!
The verse whose meaning you inverted was in 1John.
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Need a post reference....for clarity so we are on the same page.
Use the “TO” buttons at the bottom line of the posts.
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