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To: StormPrepper; DungeonMaster
By the way Jesus and Satan are created and are brothers in Mormon belief.

You don't say. Well, did you know that we are brothers and sisters of Jesus too as well as Lucifer?
First of all, in Christianity, satan is a created entity, Jesus has been around since the beginning. Jesus, God the Father and the Holy Spirit have always "been". Forever.

A Mormon can't speak for Christians, that "we" has to mean you and others that follow the LDS belief system.

Christians can't be a brother with a created entity like satan.

Mankind is a completely different type of life form than satan.

God created all the angels at a time in the past, and satan, lucifer, was the mightiest of them all. He (satan/Lucifer) wanted to elevate himself to a position higher than God, so he got slapped down.

Angels are not "related" to humans, so there can be no brothers of satan/lucifer that are human.

Now if you want to believe you are the brother of satan/lucifer, fine with me.

And whatever "jesus" you have can be a brother of satan and you also, fine with me.

But Christians (and of course Jesus, the Jesus of the Bible) are not brothers of satan/Lucifer.

842 posted on 03/26/2015 7:24:16 PM PDT by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice-/Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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To: Syncro; StormPrepper

Well said Syncro!


848 posted on 03/27/2015 4:53:01 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: Syncro; DungeonMaster
Jesus has been around since the beginning. Jesus, God the Father and the Holy Spirit have always "been". Forever.

There was no beginning.

The mixture of Greek culture into Christianity in the first century turned Christianity into a pagan acceptable religion. Appealing to Greek audiences.

This is where you get the concept of "Personal Savior" but still maintain the mythos of "uncreated", "unseeable", "unknowable", "everywhere and no where", "unreachable", etc...

And the notion that angels are like winged fairies floating around heaven.

Jude spoke of the first estate. The first estate is following Heavenly Fathers plan to be born on this earth. A full third of all that were in heaven refused and were cast out. They didn't keep their first estate. (Jude 1:6)

Those that did keep their first estate are born into mortality to be tested, tried, and so they can learn to chose for themselves good from evil. That's us.

Keeping our second estate is achieving salvation from sin and returning to our Father in Heaven.

Jesus said that His Father is also our Father. That makes us brother and sisters with Christ. And unfortunately all those that didn't keep their first estate and were cast out.

When Jesus came across the man that was possessed with a legion of evil spirits. Jesus knew who they were. He didn't hate them, He had pity on them and cast them into the swine. Because He knew they would never receive a body in this life. Jesus knows what awaits them after the judgement, there was no need to do anything further. (Matt 8:31-32)

Jesus taught that our Father in Heaven is both reachable and approachable. And is literally His and our "Father".

Of course we are different from the Angels...now. Our spirits have been combined with mortal bodies. The Angels are people that have either passed through this life or are waiting to come into mortality. They are where ever God wants them to be at this time until the judgement.

The belief that we have nothing in common with those that dwell with God is a tool of the devil. Meant to discourage us from achieving our full potential.

Plus...it just makes no sense.
855 posted on 03/27/2015 8:36:48 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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