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To: Syncro; DungeonMaster
Jesus has been around since the beginning. Jesus, God the Father and the Holy Spirit have always "been". Forever.

There was no beginning.

The mixture of Greek culture into Christianity in the first century turned Christianity into a pagan acceptable religion. Appealing to Greek audiences.

This is where you get the concept of "Personal Savior" but still maintain the mythos of "uncreated", "unseeable", "unknowable", "everywhere and no where", "unreachable", etc...

And the notion that angels are like winged fairies floating around heaven.

Jude spoke of the first estate. The first estate is following Heavenly Fathers plan to be born on this earth. A full third of all that were in heaven refused and were cast out. They didn't keep their first estate. (Jude 1:6)

Those that did keep their first estate are born into mortality to be tested, tried, and so they can learn to chose for themselves good from evil. That's us.

Keeping our second estate is achieving salvation from sin and returning to our Father in Heaven.

Jesus said that His Father is also our Father. That makes us brother and sisters with Christ. And unfortunately all those that didn't keep their first estate and were cast out.

When Jesus came across the man that was possessed with a legion of evil spirits. Jesus knew who they were. He didn't hate them, He had pity on them and cast them into the swine. Because He knew they would never receive a body in this life. Jesus knows what awaits them after the judgement, there was no need to do anything further. (Matt 8:31-32)

Jesus taught that our Father in Heaven is both reachable and approachable. And is literally His and our "Father".

Of course we are different from the Angels...now. Our spirits have been combined with mortal bodies. The Angels are people that have either passed through this life or are waiting to come into mortality. They are where ever God wants them to be at this time until the judgement.

The belief that we have nothing in common with those that dwell with God is a tool of the devil. Meant to discourage us from achieving our full potential.

Plus...it just makes no sense.
855 posted on 03/27/2015 8:36:48 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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To: StormPrepper
Of course we are different from the Angels...now. Our spirits have been combined with mortal bodies. The Angels are people that have either passed through this life or are waiting to come into mortality. They are where ever God wants them to be at this time until the judgement.

The belief that we have nothing in common with those that dwell with God is a tool of the devil. Meant to discourage us from achieving our full potential.

So angels become people and people become angels. OK there's another doctrinal error but it still isn't as bad as the idea that God used to be a mortal man who was promoted into being eternal. That really doesn't even make sense. Part of that belief is that God has a Father and Mother, A Spirit Mother, who created His spirit. You demote God to being one of many Gods like pagan beliefs and populate the universe with all of these lesser Gods. That's the key heresy, all others are lesser IMHO.

856 posted on 03/27/2015 8:45:18 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Is a Republican who won't call Obama a Muslim worthy of your vote?)
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To: StormPrepper; Syncro; DungeonMaster; All
There was no beginning. The mixture of Greek culture into Christianity in the first century turned Christianity into a pagan acceptable religion. Appealing to Greek audiences. This is where you get the concept of "Personal Savior" but still maintain the mythos of "uncreated", "unseeable", "unknowable", "everywhere and no where", "unreachable", etc...And the notion that angels are like winged fairies floating around heaven.

Based upon StormPrepper & his Mormnism's "scripture" Doctrine & Covenants 93:29,33...it says spirits and intelligences are as eternal as God is:
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be. 33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal... (LDS "scripture" Doctrine & Covenants 93:29,33)

So while StormPrepper accuses early Christianity of having embraced "Greek culture" and that "there was no beginning" ... even his "scripture" references some "beginning."

Beyond that...

Per the Mormon narrative, we all supposedly started off as "goo" somewhere...a "spirit" (D&C 93:29,33)...You are just as "eternal" (as in eternal past) as God & Jesus...you haven't "lived" any less than them (past-wise)

THEN (Chapter II) you were spirit-born to a man who became God & one of his goddess wives...near "Kolob"...wherever that is...
Oh, and Lucifer -- Satan -- was your "elder spirit bro"
THEN (Chapter III) you were sent here...essentially "alien" status...to inhabit a body...

THEN (Chapter IV) either...
...(a) you become a temple Mormon so you can eternally progress to become a future god (run your world; create your own spirit kids; receive worship & prayer & glory from them as a "god")...
...or (b) be a nontemple Mormon or a "good" Christian & go to the "middle" celestial glory where you can't live with Heavenly Father forever (not sure how that could EVER be defined as "heaven" by Mormons)...
...or (c) be Necro-baptized by proxy in a spirit world where you & everybody goes (even the best Mormons go there, too, for a while)

And if the above wasn't enough, if you look under the "Spirit" entry in LDS church-published Bible Dictionary, 1979 (p. 776) -- in back of Holy Bible, you'll find this worse than winged fairies entry:

"That is, ALL forms of living things--man, beast and vegetation--existed as individual spirits, before any form of life existed upon the earth. The spirit is in the likeness of the physical body, as demonstrated in Gen. 2:5; 1 Ne. 11:11; Ether 3:15-16; D&C 77:2; 129; Moses 3:4-7. Furthermore, all spirit is matter, but is more refined and pure than mortal element (D&C 131:7)."

So. If you take the infinite regression teaching of the Mormon church -- infinitely regressing, we ALL have supposedly "existed" in some form -- [again, see @ Doctrine & Covenant 93:29,33 above...this teaches WE are as eternal (past) as God/Jesus, etc. -- & that spirits & intelligences & elements ALWAYS existed!!!
...and couple it with this above eternal regression teaching...that vegetation & beasts were co-existent alongside us as fellow "spirits" once upon a time...and that we all have ALWAYS existed... Sometimes esoteric macabre teachings that you think are so FAR out there...are actually mainstream Mormonism!

857 posted on 03/27/2015 11:04:23 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: StormPrepper
There was no beginning.

I put that in to help with your understanding.

But you pretty much ignored the next phrase I posted, Jesus, God the Father and the Holy Spirit have always "been". Forever. <_______ (see it now?)

This is where you get the concept of "Personal Savior" but still maintain the mythos of "uncreated", "unseeable", "unknowable", "everywhere and no where", "unreachable", etc...

Personal savior, yep it's in the Bible.

The rest of your "words" have nothing to do with me, I never posted anything like that.

And the notion that angels are like winged fairies floating around heaven.

Those must be Mormon fairies/angels (Maroni?) my concept of angels is from the scriptures in the Bible.

Jesus said that His Father is also our Father. That makes us brother and sisters with Christ.

Yes, true for Christians. Not for Mormons. Joseph Smith REJECTED all of Christianity as he was creating the religion of the LDS.

So Mormons can be brothers with Lucifer, but not with Christians. LDS followers have a different father. Called affectionately Heavenly Father, described as a "god" that worked his way to that position. Completely un-Biblical.

The "god" of this world is satan, affectionately called "Heavenly Father" by Mormons.

Jesus taught that our Father in Heaven is both reachable and approachable.

Hay, pretty good that is true! Through Jesus who created all things. (Gospel of John---the translated correctly version)

And is literally His and our "Father".

Not "our" Father, the Father of Christians. Mormons have a "father" that is a "god" that was once a man. The God of the Bible doesn't fit that description.

The Angels are people that have either passed through this life or are waiting to come into mortality.

Not Biblical, must be in the BOM.

People NEVER become angels.

The belief that we have nothing in common with those that dwell with God is a tool of the devil.

Very true. And the tool that the devil used was Joseph Smith.

Remember he separated Mormonism from Christianity (my, the things he said about Christians was horrible, he HATED them) when he started the cult and it remains that way to this day.

If you want to dwell with God and be a brother of Christians instead of Lucifer, let me know. It's real easy. A free gift that costs you everything. But promises you eternal life with God.

PS The irony is that Mormons started calling themselves Christians for the first time a few decades ago. (Before that your leaders would NOT allow it. Wanted to fit in...didn't work!)

871 posted on 03/27/2015 3:14:07 PM PDT by Syncro (Jesus Christ, the same today, yesterday, and forever!)
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