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Rejecting Mariology
Two-Edged Sword ^ | February 05, 2007 | Lee

Posted on 03/23/2015 2:14:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: Salvation

WAHHHHHH!!!!!!

No. I didn’t say “you”.

Try some reading comprehension.


101 posted on 03/23/2015 7:08:11 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Salvation

Guilty conscience?

Throw a rock over a fence and the dog that yelps is the one that got hit.


102 posted on 03/23/2015 7:09:04 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mark17
Normal human reproduction, otherwise known as sex.

But some so-called church "fathers" saw marriage and its relations as unclean.

103 posted on 03/23/2015 7:09:33 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212; Mark17

And that mentality is still alive and well in the RCC.

Not much has changed over the years, has it?


104 posted on 03/23/2015 7:11:03 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Salvation; metmom
That is elevating obedience to Mary above obedience to Jesus. Obey Jesus becuause Mary said so? Really?

Mind reading again?

Man alive, that makes you look desperate! That constitutes mind reading? Trying to figure that out, or why you said it, invites mind reading!

105 posted on 03/23/2015 7:14:47 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212; Salvation; metmom

I just checked the boards at Vegas...even money bet someone runs to the religion moderator. :)


106 posted on 03/23/2015 7:36:08 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I respect you for you postings in other areas but cannot agree with you on Mary. Sorry.


107 posted on 03/23/2015 8:13:00 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: all the best

Is Jesus God? Was the incarnation the greatest story ever told? Why? Was it not because God so loved the world He gave his only son to mankind to dwell among us, save us redeem us? Did not the person Jesus Christ, the divine person Jesus have the nature of God and the nature of man? Was the person Jesus Christ born of Woman? Was not Mary his mother? Was she the mother of the human nature of Jesus or was she the mother of the person Jesus? When your mother gave birth to you did you have a soul? Did she create your soul, your mother? But non the less even though your soul was created in eternity your mother non the less gave birth to you body and soul? She was the your mother?

The notion of Mary as mother of God simply confirms the Churches understanding that Jesus was both God and man not just man who did powerful holy things. No Arius was wrong. The person Mary gave birth to was both God and man. Thus Jesus born of the woman Mary was truly God and thus God’s greatest gift to man and One sufficient to redeem man. Mary was His mother in the flesh and The Holy Spirit- the Sanctifier and giver of life conceived Jesus in her womb. Mary was the mother of the person Jesus who was both God and man. The birth of the Son of God Who was one with the Father before all ages, the birth of Jesus to the woman Mary is the greatest mystery, gift, and story in the entire history of Heaven and earth.


108 posted on 03/23/2015 9:00:37 PM PDT by jayker
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To: jayker

Who you building up here? Jesus or Mary?


109 posted on 03/23/2015 9:19:26 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Old Yeller

And as a former ex-Catholic, I am praying for your return.


110 posted on 03/23/2015 9:52:30 PM PDT by moonhawk (What if they gave a crisis and nobody came?)
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To: ealgeone; Elsie
1) You've won the argument when the names start coming out

What name-calling? Do you mean "hardened anti-Catholics (HAC)" is name-calling? I really meant it only as a descriptive. I honestly have no ill-regard for you, as I don't know you. I'll be glad to modify that name to "passionately anti-Catholic" or "enthusiastically anti-Catholic" if that is more suitable.

2) the poster is likely a dimocrat and like all dimocrats the names start coming out when they're losing the argument or they try to shift the topic of conversation.

Even you might be surprised how far off you are the mark on this one! I donated to Ted Cruz at midnight last night after the announcement. I watched in joy his speech today at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University. In attendance was probably a former student of mine I helped enroll there through letters of recommendation.

And no, not shifting the topic, just directing my comments at fellow Catholics.
111 posted on 03/23/2015 9:52:31 PM PDT by jobim
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To: paladinan
But to your point: no omnipotence is needed. Mary, and all the Saints, are in Heaven... which is beyond time (and space) completely. There is no past or future; there's only an eternal "now". Mary, for example, doesn't need to handle "millions of prayers per second" (those are scare quotes, not direct quotes, BTW); she has all eternity in which to respond to them. There's no "rushing" or "waiting", etc., in Heaven.

That's some pretty poor philosophy there...Time may be meaningless to Mary but it's pretty important to people on earth praying to her...

112 posted on 03/23/2015 11:07:55 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Mrs. Don-o
In the case of Mary, it's strictly a relational thing: Christ her Son is King of Kings; that makes her Queen Mother by relationship alone. It does not indicate personal sovereignty.

Then why pray to her to ask her for salvation and grace, and help and healing??? And to answer prayers if she has no sovereignty???

113 posted on 03/23/2015 11:39:36 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Foster Father of the Savior; Patron of the Universal Church

Nope...Joseph was not the Foster Father...He was technically the Step-Father...The husband of Mary...Thus the real King of heaven...If Mary is the Queen, Joseph is the King...

114 posted on 03/24/2015 12:04:04 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: ealgeone
I just checked the boards at Vegas...even money bet someone runs to the religion moderator. :)

Now there are two bets...The 2nd one on who it is that runs to the moderator...

115 posted on 03/24/2015 12:14:28 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
I don't mean "foster father" in the 21st century USA sense, of being a man licensed by the Child Protective Services to temporarily care for a child who has been removed from their parental home. I mean "foster" in the older sense of "carer and provider." "Step" father works, too.

As for Joseph's relation to the Royal Line of David, he was of the House of David in his own right. If you want to explore all the dynastic or courtly implications thereof, go right ahead.

But it does not automatically follow that if he was the husband of Mary and step-father of Jesus, he was King of the Universe. It doesn't work that way, for instance in Jewish monarchies. Was Jesse, as David's father, considered King of Israel? You see the problem.

116 posted on 03/24/2015 4:09:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Seriously.)
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To: Iscool

I could pray to YOU, iscool, to intercede for me for salvation and grace, help and healing. Intercession is all that’s implied, and intercession is not a function of personal sovereignty.


117 posted on 03/24/2015 4:12:25 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Seriously.)
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To: RnMomof7

>> Mariology <<
More like Mariolatry than just Mariology, IMHO.


118 posted on 03/24/2015 4:17:23 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Iscool
I could pray to YOU, iscool, to intercede for me for salvation and grace, help and healing. Intercession is all that’s implied, and intercession is not a function of personal sovereignty.

With all due respect to Iscool, he/she can only pray to God on your behalf.

You can ask iscool to pray for you as they are a person here on earth and this would be in line with the examples we have in the NT; but you do not pray TO iscool; just as we do not pray TO Mary. Neither of the last two would be examples found in the NT.

119 posted on 03/24/2015 5:18:22 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: jobim; goodwithagun
HAC is a lot less wordy than my name for them: Westboro Wing of the Free Republic Evangelical Dispensationlist Caucus of the Free Repubulic Religious Forum.

My apologies to you jobim.....got you confused with the other poster.

It's actually goodwithagun who lost whatever argument they were trying to make based on the title they are using.

Always funny when catholics are told the truth about their religion they claim it's hate or anti-catholic....yet I find they cannot defend their positions from a Biblical perspective, which they claim they are able to do.

Glad to hear you donated to Cruz. He gave a powerful speech at one of those "hardened anti-catholic" schools" yesterday. :)

120 posted on 03/24/2015 5:28:19 AM PDT by ealgeone
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