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To: Zuriel
In Revelation 12, John breaks away from the order of the tribulation events, to tell a history of the Jews, their long fight against Satan, and the promise of a deliverer. The vision is told, but the description is not the same layout as Joseph’s dream. The ‘woman’ is wearing the sun and stars. They make up the chosen and annointed nation of Israel (consisting of the twelve tribes). The moon is ‘under her feet’, which is not a place of honor. The ‘moon’ is more than submissive; it is defeated. In this vision the ‘moon’ is Satan, imo. Do you think that the ‘matriarchs’ are to be under foot?

Revelation is not a history of the Jews. It is prophecy .

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Revelation, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses one to three, as authorized, but not authored, by King James

There is no witness for your interpretation that the woman is specifically Mary.

I call the angel Gabriel to the stand.

And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luke, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses twenty six to thirty three, as authorized, but not authored, by King James

90 posted on 03/14/2015 1:26:56 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

**Revelation is not a history of the Jews. It is prophecy.**

God tells the truth in prophecy,
It is no lie, it’s history.

Revelation does indeed tell of the things that must come to pass. But, in chapter 12, we both agree the the child was born, and has been caught up to God. That HAS come to pass. (verses 1-5) If you use the twelve sons (twelve stars) of Jacob (Israel) as a starting point, there is almost 2,000 yrs of ‘labor pains’ leading up to the Christ child’s birth.

Israel still has to see the 3 1/2 weeks “into the wilderness”, where the nation is allowed by the beast to set up temple worship. (verse 6)

Then it is plunged into the 3 1/2 weeks of great tribulation, and the ‘remnant of her seed’ saved. (7-17)

**I call the angel Gabriel to the stand.**

Mary absolutely is the individual that gave birth to the Son of God. But Mary is of the tribe of Judah, which is of the nation of Israel. I pointed out that the ‘3 1/2 weeks’, and the ‘remnant of her seed’ do not refer to an individual, but to the nation of Israel, referred to in the feminine, as so often has been done.


91 posted on 03/14/2015 9:20:43 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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