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To: af_vet_1981

**Revelation is not a history of the Jews. It is prophecy.**

God tells the truth in prophecy,
It is no lie, it’s history.

Revelation does indeed tell of the things that must come to pass. But, in chapter 12, we both agree the the child was born, and has been caught up to God. That HAS come to pass. (verses 1-5) If you use the twelve sons (twelve stars) of Jacob (Israel) as a starting point, there is almost 2,000 yrs of ‘labor pains’ leading up to the Christ child’s birth.

Israel still has to see the 3 1/2 weeks “into the wilderness”, where the nation is allowed by the beast to set up temple worship. (verse 6)

Then it is plunged into the 3 1/2 weeks of great tribulation, and the ‘remnant of her seed’ saved. (7-17)

**I call the angel Gabriel to the stand.**

Mary absolutely is the individual that gave birth to the Son of God. But Mary is of the tribe of Judah, which is of the nation of Israel. I pointed out that the ‘3 1/2 weeks’, and the ‘remnant of her seed’ do not refer to an individual, but to the nation of Israel, referred to in the feminine, as so often has been done.


91 posted on 03/14/2015 9:20:43 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel
Mary absolutely is the individual that gave birth to the Son of God.

We agree. Whatever prophetic truths come to pass, there is no one, save Messiah himself, who more personifies Israel than Miriam, and Messiah is not a woman, but is Miriam's son. So, for the woman in Revelation, in order to get Israel, you must have Miriam.

92 posted on 03/15/2015 8:25:05 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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