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To: Colofornian
2. Acts 16 is particularly of interest because the directive "to believe" by the disciples was made ONLY to the jailer (v. 31)...
...and the ONLY ONE we are told in the account that responded with such belief was again the jailer (v. 34).

* Acts 16:25-34

Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

Act 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

* Acts 11:14

Act 10:2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
Act 10:33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.
Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

WITHOUT WATER BAPTISM...

* Acts 18:8

Act 18:8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.

* Acts 16:15

Act 16:15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.

The bible doesn't tell us about Lydia's family...But in view of the next two scriptures, there is no doubt how it went...

(Of course, the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8 would have had no "household" to baptize)

Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

WITHOUT BAPTISM!!!

164 posted on 03/10/2015 6:37:44 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

The Bible is not a one to one map of all events in history. It’s a summation with some description, but with much left out. They had the benefit of continuing revelation. The Church of Jesus Christ is a living church, at least for them it was. Further, what you’re reading is not what happened. They actually spoke directly with saints (believers) who taught the Gospel. You don’t and cannot know what exactly was taught or explained by simply reading the Bible.


166 posted on 03/10/2015 7:11:25 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Iscool; Mr Rogers; All
Are you still pulling out single verses from the Bible like Acts 10:43...and say, "See! No water baptism!" ?

If you're so dead-set vs. baptism, maybe you should let Jesus know!

(His Great Commission for making disciples in Matt. 28 heavily built up both baptizing and teaching as THE way to make disciples).

I could go thru LOTS of Scriptures and conclude, "See! No 'make disciples' phrasing! See! No 'teaching the discipled to observe everything I have commanded'

I would hope others coming into a thread like this wouldn't conclude that Jesus & His Great Commission is being tossed under the bus.

And, btw, this kind of posting goes back as a throwback to Mr Rogers' post about how little the apostle Paul baptized.

I mean Jesus gave the 11 disciples -- and all who are in Christ who take that commission seriously -- a commission to make disciples (by) baptizing and teaching.

Would you and Mr Rogers really accuse the 11 disciples of directly disobeying Him?

Considering that one day you will likely see these disciples face-to-face and fellowship with them, are you really going to go on the record for heaven & earth to see that you don't think these disciples baptized as they went along...and made it a common practice of disciple-making?

And, Iscool, if your church is not making baptism a common part of your disciple-making, why not?

And if they are, would those your church is attempting to disciple be "inspired" to be baptized by all your posts against it?

Because many of your posts aren't just saying, "No infant baptism." But "no baptism" at all.

An author named Mueller in his book on "Christian Dogmatics" cites somebody who labels others as "traitors and miscreants who tear baptism apart." I don't think you fall into that category; But I would hope that you wouldn't give anybody pause to think otherwise by your attacks on baptism.

173 posted on 03/10/2015 11:09:03 AM PDT by Colofornian
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