If you're so dead-set vs. baptism, maybe you should let Jesus know!
(His Great Commission for making disciples in Matt. 28 heavily built up both baptizing and teaching as THE way to make disciples).
I could go thru LOTS of Scriptures and conclude, "See! No 'make disciples' phrasing! See! No 'teaching the discipled to observe everything I have commanded'
I would hope others coming into a thread like this wouldn't conclude that Jesus & His Great Commission is being tossed under the bus.
And, btw, this kind of posting goes back as a throwback to Mr Rogers' post about how little the apostle Paul baptized.
I mean Jesus gave the 11 disciples -- and all who are in Christ who take that commission seriously -- a commission to make disciples (by) baptizing and teaching.
Would you and Mr Rogers really accuse the 11 disciples of directly disobeying Him?
Considering that one day you will likely see these disciples face-to-face and fellowship with them, are you really going to go on the record for heaven & earth to see that you don't think these disciples baptized as they went along...and made it a common practice of disciple-making?
And, Iscool, if your church is not making baptism a common part of your disciple-making, why not?
And if they are, would those your church is attempting to disciple be "inspired" to be baptized by all your posts against it?
Because many of your posts aren't just saying, "No infant baptism." But "no baptism" at all.
An author named Mueller in his book on "Christian Dogmatics" cites somebody who labels others as "traitors and miscreants who tear baptism apart." I don't think you fall into that category; But I would hope that you wouldn't give anybody pause to think otherwise by your attacks on baptism.
“Because many of your posts aren’t just saying, “No infant baptism.” But “no baptism” at all.”
Who is suggesting to do that? Anyone?
Iscool wrote:
“No repentance...No baptism...”
Exactly! There is no reason to baptize someone who is not washed in the blood of Jesus. You cannot unite someone in His death and resurrection without their permission!
Where do the Apostles in scripture baptize ANYONE against their will? Where do they baptize an infant who is incapable of repenting? Can you cite a single verse?
Of course not! Water baptism FOLLOWS the baptism of Jesus. Apart from the Baptism of Jesus in the Holy Spirit, uniting us to Christ and to His death and resurrection, water baptism IS MEANINGLESS. To suggest someone who has not repented and who doesn’t have any concept of what repentance could mean should be baptized in water, and thus saved, is to resort to magic and ritual instead of submitting to God.
“When you come to appear before me,
who has required of you
this trampling of my courts?
13 Bring no more vain offerings;
incense is an abomination to me.
New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—
I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.
14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts
my soul hates;
they have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.
15 When you spread out your hands,
I will hide my eyes from you;
even though you make many prayers,
I will not listen;
your hands are full of blood.
16 Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean;
remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes;
cease to do evil,
17 learn to do good;
seek justice,
correct oppression;
bring justice to the fatherless,
plead the widow’s cause.
18 “Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord:
though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red like crimson,
they shall become like wool.
19 If you are willing and obedient,
you shall eat the good of the land;
20 but if you refuse and rebel,
you shall be eaten by the sword;
for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”
Israel could not be saved by physical birth either. Circumcision was meaningless for those who were hard of heart. Only repentance and faith could save the Israelite - or the “BELIEVER”. For no one can follow Christ if they do not believe Him...
Because many of your posts aren't just saying, "No infant baptism." But "no baptism" at all.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
I don't see any water baptism there, do you...
You don't seem to feel the need to respond to any scripture that's posted to you...You just continue to bombard us with the few scripture that seems to suit your purpose...