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Salvation by grace alone through faith alone excludes works righteousness
Possessing the Treasure ^ | February 16, 2015 | Mike Ratliff

Posted on 02/19/2015 4:20:17 PM PST by RnMomof7

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; 9 and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ‘ We have Abraham for our father’; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. 10 The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11 “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” (Matthew 3:7-12 NASB)

In the passage above John the Baptist was addressing a form of spiritual blindness that was afflicting the Pharisees and Sadducees. Is there the same sort of stubborn blindness pertaining to Christianity? Yes, sadly there is. Spiritual blindness is a darkness beyond our ability to describe. This blindness is rampant in the “visible Church” in our day. Jesus prophesied about this.

24 “ Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘ Lord, open up to us! ’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘ I do not know where you are from. ’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27 and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from ME, all you evildoers. ’ 28 In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out. 29 And they will come from east and west and from north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God. 30 And behold, some are last who will be first and some are first who will be last.” (Luke 13:24-30 NASB)

Many who believe they are Christians are not. They have a form of righteousness, but it is not the righteousness born from above. It is self-righteousness. One group that contended with John the Baptist, Our Lord Jesus Christ and His disciples, was the Pharisees. Who hasn’t heard believers accusing other believers of being a Pharisee? These accusations are usually thrown at people who are stricter than the accuser in their judgments of saved and lost. The Liberal calls a person who judges on the basis of regeneration as the only evidence of saving faith as being a Pharisee. The mainstream church-goer calls all fundamentalists Pharisees. The antinomian calls those who preach Lordship salvation Pharisees.

Is this accurate? Are these examples of modern day Pharisees? Let us look in the Word for our answer.

Who were the Pharisees of the Bible? They were the religious conservatives within Judaism. They held very strictly to the Torah and the Talmud and were outwardly very moral. They were the leaders of the majority of the Jews and were very popular with the common people. They were revered by their followers for their religious zeal and dedication, and they were models worthy if imitation. Their main opposition were the Sadducees, the religious liberals within Judaism. They did not believe that the damned will be punished eternally in hell and that the saved will dwell eternally in heaven. The Sadducees were popular among the high-class minority.

The first mention of the Pharisees in the Bible is found in Matthew 3:7-12, which I placed at the top of this post. Here is is again.

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; 9 and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ‘ We have Abraham for our father’; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. 10 The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11 “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” (Matthew 3:7-12 NASB)

Why would John the Baptist say that the Pharisees, who were outwardly moral, zealous, and religious, were the brood of vipers? Why would he say that they had not brought forth good fruit? Isn’t obedience to the law good fruit? Who was he to judge the hearts of these fine upstanding religious people? Wasn’t he being too harsh with them? Couldn’t he have toned it down a bit? Was “brood of vipers” really necessary? Isn’t that mean and unloving? How did he expect to gain an audience with such language? Didn’t he know that one catches more flies with honey than with vinegar? And what was he doing lumping them in with the Sadducces, who didn’t even believe in an afterlife?

John the Baptist was absolutely correct in his rebuke of the Pharisees. Both John and our Lord reserved their harshest words for these men as well. The reason Liberal Theology has so decimated the Church in our day is that most Christians have believed the lie that they must not speak up or confront other professing Christians. Why? They believe that it will reflect badly on Christ and the Church to have these contentions made public. However, John the Baptist and our Lord certainly didn’t refrain from telling the truth.

However, before Christians can emulate them, they must know the reason why the Pharisees were judged to be lost by our Lord and John. We cannot make these judgments based on any feelings about them. We cannot “discern” that they are lost. We must look at the evidence and judge them to be lost based on Biblical truth.

6 And Jesus said to them, “Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” (Matthew 16:6 NASB)

The Greek words for watch is ορατε or horate the finite, plural, Present tense, Imperative mood, and Active voice case of ὁράω or horaō, which means “to discern clearly.” What were the disciples to beware of? The answer is found in Matthew 16:12.

12 Then they understood that He did not say to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees. (Matthew 16:12 NASB)

The Greek Word for teaching is διδαχή or didachē. It means instruction or doctrine. The disciples were warned by our Lord to beware of their doctrine. Their doctrine was the evidence that they were lost. Now I know that many believe the doctrine of the Pharisees to be correct, but their problem was their legalism. Those who say this often use this argument to call those who insist on correct Gospel doctrine Pharisees. However, our Lord’s words tell us that their problem was their doctrine not their legalism. They did not hold Orthodox doctrine. Instead, they held heterodox doctrine.

het·er·o·dox
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1. not in accordance with established or accepted doctrines or opinions, esp. in theology; unorthodox.
2. holding unorthodox doctrines or opinions.
[Origin: 1610–20; < Gk heteródoxos of another opinion, equiv. to hetero- hetero- + dóx(a) opinion (Compare dokeǐn to think, suppose) + -os adj. suffix]
—Related forms
het·er·o·dox·ly, adverb
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The Pharisees held unorthodox or heterodox doctrine. Jesus also tells us that they worshiped God in vain.

8 ‘ This people honors ME with their lips, But their heart is far away from ME. 9 ‘ But in vain do they worship ME, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.'” (Matthew 15:8-9 NASB)

These men did worship and appeared to be very worshipful. However, since they held false doctrines they were lost and, therefore, their worship was in vain. Their doctrine was not of the Sacred Scripture, but was the doctrines of men. They emphasized tradition over Biblical commandments. (Matthew 15:6) They did not abide in the doctrine of Christ. (2 John 9) Since their doctrines were of men instead of the Sacred Scripture, they made their judgements on their vain imaginations. If you have ever participated in some “theological discussions” with emergents or liberals then you will recognize that one.

20 So then, you will know them by their fruits. (Matthew 7:20 NASB)

How can we know of what someone’s doctrine consists? Jesus said that we can know this by observing their fruit.

43 For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit. 44 For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush. 45 The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart. (Luke 6:43-45 NASB)

I know that many have not grasped this truth, but our Lord is always right and He says that the fruit is what a person’s mouth speaks because the mouth speaks what is in the heart. Therefore, we can know what the Pharisee’s doctrine consisted of by observing their spoken words from the Bible.

9 And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: (Luke 18:9 NASB)

This passage introduced Jesus’ parable about the tax collector and the Pharisee praying in the temple. He spoke it directly to the Pharisees. The Pharisees relied on themselves for their righteousness. This is self-rightetousness or works-righteousness. They believed that their good works merited them God’s favor. Their doctrine or theology was one of “Do” instead one of trusting in what God has “Done.”

2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. 3 For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. (Romans 10:2-3 NASB)

This description by the Apostle Paul is of all self-righteous Jews, not just the Pharisees. It is also a description of all self-righteous professing Christians who are depending upon their own works to save them instead of trusting in what God has done for them. Zeal for religion based in the knowledge of false doctrine is nothing but an abomination to God. According to this passage we see what the missing piece is in all “Pharisee’s” doctrine. What is it? They are ignorant of the necessity of submitting to God’s righteousness nor do they know anything of grace. Where can we learn of God’s righteousness?

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “ But the righteous man shall live by faith.” (Romans 1:16-17 NASB)

21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. (Romans 3:21-26 NASB)

People who are ignorant of God’s righteousness cannot submit to it. Therefore, they go about establishing a righteousness of their own. This is why we stress the Sovereignty of God so much here. This why I try to end each piece I write with either “SDG” or “Soli Deo Gloria.” This is why we must come to terms with God’s righteousness if we are ever going to grow in Christlikeness and become Spirit-filled. Only those who walk by faith are obedient in their submission to God’s righteousness for every deed done in the flesh is sin.

This is also why we must learn proper doctrine such as Salvation is by Grace through Faith. We are justified by faith alone, apart from works. Through this we learn that the righteousness which saves us is imputed to us. It is Christ’s righteousness, not our own. If we take this to heart we will not view our salvation as a correct decision, but instead, we see it for the miracle it is. This changes everything in how we serve Him. How can we be self-righteous if our salvation was entirely by Grace?

As many of you know, I grew up as a Southern Baptist. I was a Deacon in two SBC churches, one in Oklahoma and the other in Kansas. I was a Bible teacher as well. In 2004-2005 I underwent a theology overhaul by God. The end result of that was that my theology become subject to the Sovereignty of God. I finally came to understand that salvation is God’s work from beginning to end. Through this understanding I looked back at all those years in the SBC and it made me weep. Why? Much of the SBC culture is one of “Do” instead of being built around what God has “Done.” The emphasis is on “a changed life” instead of the Sovereignty of God.

I remember the countless Deacon meetings where it seemed that all we ever did was to strategize how to get the pew sitters busy. The evidence of salvation we looked for in people was how busy they were because of how God had impacted their lives. Of course, now I know that regeneration makes Christians New Creations who have a faith that is alive. This enables them to not sin if they walk by this faith. Instead of looking for this “change” we looked for how religious people were.

Phariseeism is the Religion of Do or Works-Righteousness. Christians in bondage to this will view their salvation in the context of a decision. They will attempt to live this out by being as religious as possible. Of course, unless they are regenerate and have the Holy Spirit, they will eventually stumble. Some will remain religious of course, but without the supernatural power of a regenerate heart, saving faith, and The Holy Spirit they will find their own righteousness instead of possessing Christ’s Righteousness. This is confusing sanctification with justification. Justification is a declaration by God of not-guilty on our behalf. Sanctification is the process whereby Christians are conformed unto the image of Christ as they abide in Christ. Those in the Religion of Works-Righteousness attempt to sanctify themselves by being religious. They believe their “works” merit them favor from God. It is no different than what the Pharisees did in Christ’s day.

Undoubtedly there are some genuine Christians enslaved to the Religion of Works-Righteousness. I was one. I pray that God will draw them out of it into the light. We must not condemn, but pray for and share the truth with them. It is not being Pharisaical to tell the truth.

Soli Deo Gloria!



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To: stonehouse01; JSDude1
>>There is no assurance salvation; there is HOPE of salvation, but not assurance; sanctifying grace can be lost:<<

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

41 posted on 02/20/2015 6:55:48 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: LearsFool; All

[LearsFool]”The marching was faith in action.

That’s a good answer! Without the obedient action, where’s the faith? It’s as dead as a corpse. “Can that faith save?” According to James, no.

Those who want to separate our faith from our works are trying to kill our faith.

They would’ve told Naaman he didn’t need to dip seven times in the Jordan, because God can heal people without water. If he had listened to them, he would’ve remained a leper.

They would’ve told Noah he didn’t need to build an ark, because God can save people without boats. If he had listened to them, he and his family would’ve perished in the flood.

They would’ve told Abraham not to offer Isaac for a sacrifice to God, because God doesn’t need human sacrifice.

They would’ve told Rahab not to hide the spies, because God could keep them safe from harm without her help, and anything she did would be trying to earn her way into the promises to Israel.

They would’ve told Moses’ parents to go ahead and have him put to death, because God promised to deliver Israel from bondage and didn’t need their help, and because anything they might do would be a denial of God’s power to save.

They will tell us not to kill the old slave man in baptism and be raised from the water a new free man, because God’s already done everything, and any obedience we might render would be earning our salvation. And those who listen to them and ignore God are still in bondage to sin and don’t even know it.”

Your post is so good I’m going to re-post it. Yes, we are saved by the grace of Jesus Christ. However, we have to qualify for that grace by following God’s commandments. That’s the eternal law governing salvation given by God the Father and repeated by Jesus Himself.

We will be judged on our works. Those are Jesus’ own words.


42 posted on 02/20/2015 7:14:47 AM PST by StormPrepper
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To: CynicalBear

Absolutely CynicalBear! And God never lies.


43 posted on 02/20/2015 7:20:24 AM PST by JSDude1
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To: metmom

You bet’cha....what better way to attack the church than from within.


44 posted on 02/20/2015 7:20:53 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Mark17

**No more blindness for me.**

It’s great that God’s been leading you, but do you see this?....

“..Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” Acts 2:38

Is it from heaven, or of men?


45 posted on 02/20/2015 7:21:32 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: stonehouse01

Not true, or do you not think that God can save and redeem?

If He can, then surely He wouldn’t be able to lose those He’s saved.

If He cannot, and it’s upon us (granted choice is, but not keeping or even drawing us unto salvation..that is by God alone), then the Gospel isn’t sure, and is false.

But it’s not false, and we can know we have Jesus!


46 posted on 02/20/2015 7:22:35 AM PST by JSDude1
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To: CynicalBear
>>ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise<<

Ever drift away from God's presence? Just kinda doin what’cha want, when ya want with lil regard to Abba?

Ever feel the strong tug to return to Him? While on the temporal band wagon, have ya ever felt empty, wayward at the end of the day, at bedtime?

This is the spirit of the Almighty calling you back. Once you become a child of the Most High, he will never allow you to drift too far. He will leave the flock to come find’jah.

47 posted on 02/20/2015 7:24:54 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: stonehouse01; JSDude1
Once saved always saved. Presumptuous and unbiblical premise.

Not pompous and unbiblical.

It only seems pompous for those depending on their good works.

For those depending on the finished work of Christ on the cross, it's a matter of trust and assurance.

Here's Biblical support for it.

Security of the believer

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”

1 Corinthians 1:4-8 I give thanks to my God always for you because of the grace of God that was given you in Christ Jesus,that in every way you were enriched in him in all speech and all knowledge—even as the testimony about Christ was confirmed among you—so that you are not lacking in any gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Colossians 2:13-14 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Colossians 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

1 Peter 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3156607/posts?page=313#313

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

For which the Greek, from the Byzantine, is:

2Corinthians 1:21-22 ο δε βεβαιων ημας συν υμιν εις χριστον και χρισας ημας θεος ο και σφραγισαμενος ημας και δους τον αρραβωνα του πνευματος εν ταις καρδιαις ημων

The first word in bold above is “bebaion,” the idea of confirmation, frequently used in commercial settings to confirm a bargain. Which of course makes sense of the remaining terms used here, which are also elements of a secured contract.

The second word in bold above is “sphragisamenos,” being sealed is to be marked by the signature, signet ring, or other unique proof of identity, that we belong to God, and this sealing is done by God, who is the one taking action in this verse. We do not and cannot seal ourselves. We do not, by our own powers, have access to God’s “signet ring.”

The third bolded word above is “arrabona,” and indicates what we might loosely refer to as earnest money, but in Hebrew culture conveys more the idea of a pledge of covenant, a security given as a guarantee that the deal will go through, though we only receive part payment at the beginning. See ערב for the related Hebrew stem indicating “pledge.”

48 posted on 02/20/2015 7:35:14 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: CynicalBear

Yep.

1 Peter 1:23 -

“For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.”


49 posted on 02/20/2015 7:35:52 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: ScottfromNJ

**Galatians 2:21: “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”**

You do realize the context, I hope...

Paul is writing “unto the churches of Galatia” (1:2), or anyone displaying their situation: Having been born again (obedience to Acts 2:38; it IS from heaven, and not of men.) some chose to continue in the works of the Law, which was done away with by the Lord.


50 posted on 02/20/2015 7:37:04 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: StormPrepper

Thank you. :-)

You’re absolutely right. God expects obedient faith, faith that is alive and not dead.

We need only re-read and recall the events in the lives of Samson, Daniel, Moses, Rahab, Joshua, Abraham, Noah, and all the others in Hebrews 11, to see what faith looks like when it’s alive.


51 posted on 02/20/2015 7:37:11 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: StormPrepper; LearsFool

Those who don’t understand that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which results from faith and belief on Christ is what causes the deeds will always focus on the works rather than the faith.


52 posted on 02/20/2015 7:43:34 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: servantboy777

Amen and Amen!


53 posted on 02/20/2015 7:46:36 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Zuriel

The Lord led me out of a works based cult, to glorious faith in Christ. I repented and was both water baptized and baptised in the Holy Spirit. Life is grand. I wish everyone would experience it.


54 posted on 02/20/2015 7:49:28 AM PST by Mark17 (Calvary's love has never faltered, all it's wonder still remains. Souls still take eternal passage)
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To: CynicalBear

Oh, my focus is not on “works rather than faith,” as you suggest.

No, I’m sure anyone reading my posts will see the focus is on:

- Faith that’s alive, as contrasted with faith that’s dead.

- Faith that’s fruitful, as contrasted with faith that’s barren.

- Faith that the disciples of Christ have, as contrasted with faith that the devils have.

- Faith that works, as contrasted with faith that doesn’t.


55 posted on 02/20/2015 7:49:55 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: LearsFool

Faith that doesn’t produce fruit isn’t faith in Christ anyway so what’s the deal? I don’t have to focus on the fruits if I focus on the faith. Let the Holy Spirit handle the “works”. I teach faith. Those who teach works end up with works and no faith. Mother Teresa would have been a good example of works with no faith. She said that whatever god you served was good enough but she sure did have works.


56 posted on 02/20/2015 7:57:38 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Iscool

There is no doctrine of apostolic succession in the scriptures


Paul laid hands on Titus, Titus lays hands on elders in Crete, these elders lay hands on other men........been happening to close to 2,000 years now. an unbroken chain in Christ’s CHURCH or what we call apostolic succession.


57 posted on 02/20/2015 7:59:22 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: CynicalBear
Faith that doesn’t produce fruit isn’t faith in Christ anyway

Indeed! Truer words were never spoken. Let me ask you a couple of questions then:

What caused the walls of Jericho to fall?
A. Faith
B. Marching
C. God’s power
D. All of the above
E. None of the above

Which element(s) was/were unnecessary?
A. Faith
B. Marching
C. God’s power
D. All of the above
E. None of the above
58 posted on 02/20/2015 8:03:44 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: boatbums; RnMomof7

hmm, didn’t think I was breaking any rules, but then I don’t make or interpret the rules.

I am all for the recent spate of threads attacking the historical, orthodox Faith by supposedly quoting the Catholic Church Fathers. I say keep them coming, because I think a sincere seeker of truth will be inspired to actually read the Fathers for themselves and then compare the 16th century tradition of men that so many on this site follow to what Christians have believed and taught for 2,000 years. Keep em coming.......


59 posted on 02/20/2015 8:05:21 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: LearsFool

The answer to both of those is faith. They could have walked for a month or more and nothing would have happened without faith. People can work their whole lives but without faith they are going to hell. I’ll preach the faith and let the Holy Spirit inspire the works.


60 posted on 02/20/2015 8:10:31 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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