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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
In some cases putting forth ideas and theories not found anywhere in the Bible.

You really do not know the Church or the Magisterium. Christ established a Church. The Church is the 'pillar and foundation of Truth' You've seen the quotes from Scripture.

Christ did not establish a Bible. The Church Christ established created the Bible.

If it’s OK with you, I prefer to stick as closely to scripture as possible and I don’t like making things up or making assumptions like that.

We would not have Scripture without the Catholic Church. But seriously, answer these two questions -

1. Where did Christ tell any of his Apostles to write a Bible?

2. Why do you believe Scripture if Christ never asked anyone to write it?

31 posted on 02/20/2015 12:40:08 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

No. It is you who is misguided. You believe in ANYTHING put forward by the Vatican without question. That is your right of course and I will not challenge it. The New Testament was written primarily by the four Gospel writers and St. Paul.

It might interest you know that I first learned that Jesus had brothers and sisters in a Bible study class taught by a Catholic priest in a Catholic church. When we were going over the passages mentioning Jesus’s brothers and sisters, the priest did not put any spin on it, like oh they meant to really say cousins-—or here’s another whopper-—they were Joseph’s children from a prior marriage. No. The priest did none of that. He presented the Bible as it is written without any spin or embellishments. So I am grateful to him for presenting the Bible as it is written without making things up. If you plan on having me excommunicated you might want to have the priest who taught our Bible study class excommunicated as well.

Our faith is based upon the New Testament and the teachings in the four accepted gospels. These were written before the Church was an established institution.


32 posted on 02/20/2015 12:51:15 PM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: FatherofFive; Trapped Behind Enemy Lines; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; ...
And so faced with a RC who quotes the Bible, what is the RC (FatherofFive) response?

"The Church Christ established created the Bible."

However, this polemical assertion has been refuted numerous times, yet it is still the recourse of so many RCs. According to this, there was no body of Scriptures for the NT to establish its oral and written Truth claims upon, as it abundantly did.

And as it did, thus the NT did begin upon Scripture, while the Lord also commanded Scripture to be written, unless your canon only consists of the gospels, as it seems many RCs wish.

And according to the logic of "the Church wrote the Bible" polemical assertion, the instruments and stewards of Scripture are to be submitted to. Would you defend that?

In addition, the Scriptures do not owe their authority to the Roman magisterium, which they were not a project of, nor was or is such essential in order for souls to know what was of God or not, though the Biblical magisterium has its valid place.

Yet among many other things , nor do the Scriptures anywhere teach perpetual magisterial infallibility, which is the basis for the veracity of RC teaching, and your assurance of Truth.

In addition, Trapped Behind Enemy Lines is criticized for disagreement in 5-10% of what it says, and which is condemned referring to things like abortion, which was not the manner of issues mentioned.

Then FatherofFive asks "Do you believe in the Magisterium? Do you know what it is? What needs to be asked is what percentage of all that RCs believe or practice disallows any disagreement. Does he know?

And note the caucus label was removed.

41 posted on 02/23/2015 4:43:34 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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