Posted on 02/15/2015 10:17:53 AM PST by RnMomof7
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What you bind on Eaarth will be bound in Heaven, what you loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven.....given that promise, do you really think that God would allow the church to make an error???....Nope, He promised that He would protect her from that and so far He is doing just fine.
I doubt that is true.
Sure there were....Peter was the Pope (titular head of the new church)...Mass was insstituted at the Last Supper....All 7 Sacraments had been instituted by Christ...Holy water is a sacramental and I don't know how it came to be..(irrelevant)....The Assumption and Immaculate Conception, while being facts, had not yet been declared as Dogma but with the assurance of Christ that in such matters they could not err, the Church formally declared them to be part of scripture.
The people at my church sure do. We follow along with what he is preaching from.
What do you doubt that is true?
We could also point to the worship of Mary by cathicism.
Your claim in #38
Agreed. With you. The second item is discipleship, one on one, or one on very few at one time.
That raises more questions:
Do you believe the popes and councils have never erred or contradicted themselves in what they wrote and required RCs to do? So that you are bound to obey all such?
Or is this restricted to a minority of teachings, and so you may disagree with those that are not as they may be in error?
Do you have an infallible list that tells you all the infallible teachings? Or is this subject to interpretation?
Is the CCC infallible so that it never may be in error or contradict itself? Is it or other RC teachings subject to interpretation by those Rome holds as members, without discipline?
And since the power to bind and to loose was also given to the OT magisterium, with disobedience resulting in death, (Dt. 17:8-13) and in Mt. 18:15-20 applies to judicial actions in personal disputes, and beyond that spiritually applies to all believers, then why do you think this is unique to the Roman magisterium, and means it cannot err?
Since the basis for your assurance of Truth - that Rome cannot err - is what Scripture says, then how are you different from an evangelical whose basis for assurance of Truth is the weight of Scriptural substantiation?
Is your RC argument is that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for determination and assurance of Truth (including writings and men being of God) and to fulfill promises of Divine presence, providence of Truth, and preservation of faith, and authority. (Jn. 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:13; Mt. 16:18; Lk. 10:16)
And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that Rome is that assuredly infallible magisterium. Thus any who knowingly dissent from the latter must be in rebellion to God?
Thanks for helping us to better understand RC reasoning.
Have no problem with a few questions asked in love. Especially if you are not likely to see the person again.
But if you know you are likely to have time with the person in the future, there will be plenty of opportunities to find out where a person is in reality - and can share accordingly.
What I have a problem with is an inquisition-type interrogating of every person you meet who says they are a Christian. That was my point.
And it doesn’t matter if they are Catholic or Baptist. Either can simply be a church-goer who doesn’t personally know the Lord.
I’ve learned that pre-judging others is harmful - and how often we are wrong in our pre-judgments.....
One of the scariest things in scripture and the very words of Jesus is that we will be judged with the judgment with which we have judged others.............
The proclamation of the Dogma of Mary Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix, and Advocate by the Holy Father will enable the Mother of Jesus to shower the world with a historic outpouring of grace, redemption, and peace in a new and dynamic wayan event which Marian apparitions like Fatima refer to as the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. http://www.fifthmariandogma.com/
Just like the other marian dogmas....if enough people want it the rcc will do it.
There is NOTHING in the Bible to support any of this false doctrine the rcc is considering on this proposed dogma or the other marian dogmas.
Mary is fast usurping the roles of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Based on some of the quotes I provided, which no catholic so far as denied or disavowed, she already has.
The stern questions in your story may have been the wrong approach and could have been handled differently however the rest of your story caused me some concern. Mormons believe in Jesus as do Jehovah's Witness. There are many who claim to believe in Jesus but don't abide in His teaching. We are given a rather stern warning about "fellowship" with them.
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
You mentioned "unity of the Spirit" as needing to be preserved first and I agree. There can be no "unity of the Spirit" with those who do not "abide in the doctrine of Christ". You used Ephesians 4:3 which says: "being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit". That would mean unity of the teachings of the same Spirit who teaches the same as Jesus taught. Mormons don't teach what Jesus taught nor do Jehovah's Witness. Jesus didn't teach about praying to people who have died nor elevating Mary over men. Then you made this statement:
>>All believers possess the unity of the Spirit as the same Spirit indwells us all...the Holy Spirit, the spirit of Christ.<<
All believers" All what believers? Mormons or Jehovah's Witness aren't listening to the same Spirit. Those who teach something other than what Jesus taught aren't of the same Spirit. There can be no "unity of the Spirit" with someone who teaches something other than what Jesus taught as that wouldn't be the same Spirit. And as John said we would be "participating in his evil deeds" if we even wish him God's speed. It seems to me that it's paramount that we "test the spirits to see whether they are from God" before we think we have "unity of the Spirit".
I’ll say one thing is for sure. You are a believer in the Roman Catholic Church.
I don’t disagree with anything you wrote here, but if I had included everything you wrote, that would have lead to 100 other things “needing to be said/addressed” and the post would have been endless.
LOL I hear ya! Been there done that.
“..falsehoods of Catholicism...”
This is in poor taste as Coptic Christians are being beheaded for the faith. Although they split from Rome in 451 A.D., they retain their belief in the sacraments and their Love of Mary, the Blessed Mother; beliefs that in your opinion are falsehoods.
This hate filled mocking of beliefs that you do not agree with is extremely obnoxious as Christians are being killed for these exact beliefs.
Felt the need to add a tagline.......
That’s not the point; you are hating on your fellow Christians when there is enough hatred out there.
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