Posted on 02/14/2015 1:16:14 PM PST by RnMomof7
Details; as them ain’t DOCTRINE!
Thanks; Catholics; for giving these Scriptures to the World!
According to Rome; there WAS none!
Joseph of the Splintery Hands was continually rejected by his 'wife'; Our Lady of the Perpetual Headache.
Their 'marriage' was NEVER consummated - so says ROME!
Kinda hard to do; since they are spontaneous; not written and repeated again and again and again.
Ya mean that I have not posted ENOUGH of them for you?
I happened in passing to see this post and it reminded me of something I heard a couple days ago FWIW:
It was a talk being given by a convert. From his personal experience he said that outside the Church, Mary looms larger than life - or something to that effect.
But once inside the Church, She assumes a perfectly natural place - or something like that.
Remarks like this sound so very very stupid.
Actually: ignorant.
All the highlevel religious writing on the subject would just BLOW YOUR MIND.
[ It’s out there. Go look for it. ]
The lock was one of those heavy hook and eye types. I yelled at him over the fence and threw some grain out for him...While he ate the grain I threw in the pasture I went back into his room, unlocked the door so he could get back in with his nannys. If I had gotten hurt, it would have been by my carelessness in forgetting he was back there.....Its amazing what strength you have with argueing with a goat once your adrenlin kicks it and its you or the goat....good thing I stayed on my feet, bless that side of the barn, it kept me upright...LOL
Now in my 70's I have a hard time carrying a 24 pack of pepsi....The loss of strength is what I miss most growing old...I was in my 40's at the time and farming keeps you strong...had an attack goose and large nasty rooster. I didn't turn my back to those 2 but alas he *THE ROOSTER* went after my hubby one time and lost his head...the coop was safe to enter without my shovel in my hand...None of the bantum roosters never pulled that stunt, they were much more mellow....
....”there are some who sincerely do try and who have the emotional maturity to be respectful while disagreeing, but the majority of those who come onto these threads only seem to want to disrupt, divert, condemn and criticize anyone who dares disagree with Roman Catholicism”.....
When I first came to FR I knew little of catholicism so I watched the debates...and there were some very good ones on here from all sides. That is when we all learn ....I moss those.
The Council of Trent is simply a *500 year old document*?
You mean it’s not valid any more? From the church that never changes?
Catholics do the same thing with Scripture and with a straight face expect us to accept their cherry picked Scripture verses.
So why is that a problem when a non-Catholic does it but not when a Catholic does it?
Elsie is right on that about prayers.
No Evangelical church I have ever attended prays already composed prayers, such as the Hail Mary or Our Father, as recited in Catholicism. They are not prayed over and over again as if they have some power in and of themselves that moves God to act by virtue of certain words being spoken.
Most prayers in Evangelicalism model the Lord's Prayer in that it begins with addressing God the Father, usually thanks Him for His provision, confesses sin, asks for the enlightening of the Holy Spirit to receive what He has for us to hear that the preacher is speaking about or what they are reading in Scripture, show us how to apply it to our lives, sometimes when needed - asks for healing of the person.
It's far more conversational as we believe that we are literally addressing our FATHER, who is a person, who loves and cares for us, and responds to spontaneous out pouring of our heart to Him.
I see canned prayers more as a child going up to his father and reciting poetry at him and thinking that's communicating with him, that it somehow pleases him. Any human father would much more rather have the child tell him what he(the child) is thinking than hearing him recite poetry, flowery and maybe nice as it may sound.
What I see Catholic prayer being treated as is more of a incantation or religious obligation. If the Catholic prays so many of such prayer, then it satisfies some kind of obligation and God will grant the person's request.
I would be surprised to find any former Catholics who ever saw it any different.
Do non-Catholics sometimes print prayers? Yes.
Do they sometimes pray those? Yes. Especially if it expresses what is in their heart.
But as a rule, canned prayer is avoided.
Some examples of pre-printed prayer can be found in the Tozer threads which I will link to in another post so I don't have to waste time with HTML'ing them.
At the end of the following threads is a prayer just as an example of how ONE person prayed at one time, (Probably 60-70 years ago)
Most people I know don’t talk like that any more.
Following Hard after God - Chapter 1
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3242852/posts
The Blessedness of Possessing Nothing - Chapter 2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3243934/posts
Removing the Veil - Chapter 3
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3245815/posts
Apprehending God - Chapter 4
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3247448/posts
The Universal Presence - Chapter 5
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3250069/posts
The Speaking Voice - Chapter 6
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3253136/posts
The Gaze of the Soul - Chapter 7
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3255578/posts
Restoring the Creator-creature Relation - Chapter 8
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3257456/posts
That’s a fact Jack.
This isn’t so complicated as that. You were discussing things along the lines of personal prayer in general (”do you ask others to pray for you”) without the need to mention church services. Personal prayers. I’ve seen Catholics here mentioning they individually pray the prayer of “Our Lady of” this or that. And they mean it in the plain, ordinary, straightforward usage of “prayer,” of supernatural communication. What Muslims do five times a day towards Islam’s false god, and what atheists aren’t willing to do, because even though they “pray” all the time to people, in asking them things, they deny the supernatural and will not say they pray in the commonly understood sense of the word.
Wonderful prayers. Thank you.
I have found as I mature by God’s Grace in faith prayers become longer and become like the psalms. A praise, a plea, praise and confidence Jesus Christ is delivering the ‘song of my heart’ to the Throne of the Father.
No, it’s only an OPINION. An easily refuted one at that!
Refute away. Catholics with a brain do not leave the One, True Church. Catholics do not leave the precious blood and body of the Lord Jesus Christ. The ones that left were totally ignorant of their faith and never believed in the Real Presence to start with.
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I was never a fan of chanting
1 Corinthians 1:18-31 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”
Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
1 Corinthians 2:1-16 And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But, as it is written,
“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”—
these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
The Holy Spirit can break through the indoctrination of the mind that exists within Catholicism and reveal the light of the gospel to those who are truly seeking after God.
Catholics can depend on and brag on the mind and their intellectual prowess all they want.
There's a world of difference between knowing about God, with the mind, and KNOWING God, with the heart.
the mind is not going to get them anywhere unless they are regenerated in the spirit.
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