Posted on 02/09/2015 2:55:55 PM PST by NYer
No problem.
Such a gravitation of religion towards becoming a domination medium for men is a normal, worldly thing. It would be more surprising if the world did NOT have churches in it that act this way (and yes, there are a lot of “fundie” churches that do, so Rome is in good company there).
And if you want to talk about doing weird things with bibles — maybe it’s just my hobby horse, but the KJV craze is chief among them, with its antique terminology and sometimes bad translation. Something, anything, that lends an exotic touch or tone to the faith. Forget that its straightforward message is foreign to the world — we need to see it dressed up.
Did a search and nothing specific as to reason ... I guess it started way back sometime and it stuck.
Lol! The plain fact of the matter is that the canon of the Bible was settled only after repeated (and perhaps heated) discussions, and the final listing was determined by Catholic bishops. This is an inescapable fact, no matter how many people wish to escape from it.
Who is arguing doctrine? The subject of this thread is Roman priests as “fathers.” The book of Acts is not doctrine, it is real recorded history. If the leaders of the early church, apostles, elders (Bishops), deacons, or whatever, were called priest or father, we would see evidence of it in Acts. Likewise, the prominence of Mary. It is NOT there.
The catholic church didn’t exist yet. It still hadn’t split away from the orthodox when the Bible was settled.
“the KJV craze is chief among them, with its antique terminology and sometimes bad translation”
Yeah,,, it should be in Latin, just like Jesus spoke in and all the books and letters were written in.
Oh,,,wait,,,
Protestants didn’t exist until Henry the VII or Martin Luther....before that Catholics and Orthodox all the way, baby!!!
He was gramps
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The hypocrisy of the Pharisees is the same hypocrisy of the RCC’s pagan popes and ‘priests.’
It was the Catholic abomination that was to arrive 3 centuries later that Yeshua was most concerned with.
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These threads used to be edifying but now it’s just sniping against other belief systems.
Jesus used the word father in a different sense than what he told us not to use it, Abraham was the father of the tribes of Israel litterly.
Jesus told us not to call any one father as a religious title.
And if you want to talk about doing weird things with bibles
The context is using titles in addressing religious leaders.
Matthew 23:1-12 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.
They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others.
But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
I’m sure it started out as a jokey sort of address. Lots of non-Spanish-speaking Catholics call priests “Padre.”
In the military, a chaplain is chaplain to any soldier, regardless of religion, no? Except if it’s a matter of dispensing the sacraments. It would make sense to have a term of address that takes no account of denomination. I guess even rabbis are called “Padre,” then?
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Do they call the Imams padre too?
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No, just rejection of abominable transgression of the word of God.
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Much more important question...
Why have “priests” when priest is NOT a New Testament Church office?
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