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To: EternalVigilance

Who said anything about “giving up” anything? That’s how you view it maybe but that doesn’t make it necessarily so.

If I make all the wondrous arguments against abortion but don’t actually DO anything to stop as many as I can NOW, then in fact I’m giving up my best “weapons”. Why? Because again, words don’t mean anything if they aren’t grounded in something real.

Why should anyone take anyone’s arguments against abortion, much less the best one which is that it kills a BABY, if I’m not willing to do something to stop such slaughter now, even if only peace meal?

Anyone could easily (and rightfully) say, “Well I guess you don’t really believe it’s killing a baby, after all you’re not trying anything that could stop at least some of the things you call babies being killed. If I believed they were babies being killed I’d do everything I could to save as many of them as I could, NOW. So I don’t believe you when you claim it’s a baby”.

And they would be right.


32 posted on 02/05/2015 6:04:40 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

The Blackmun Supreme Court that decided Roe vs. Wade in 1973, in their majority opinion, to put it succinctly, ruled that unborn “fetuses” are not persons. But they openly admitted in their written opinion that if fetuses are persons, “of course” they would be protected by the explicit requirements of the Fourteenth Amendment.

The “pro-life” movement, so-called, readily admits to the self-evident natural, scientific fact that babies in the womb are human persons, and then pushes legislation that ignores the explicit requirements of the Fourteenth Amendment that all persons be protected.

So, tell me, which position is worse, morally, constitutionally, and legally, Blackmun’s or National Right to Life’s?

Not that it matters much in the real world. The result is exactly the same: abortion on demand, ie rivers of innocent blood continuing to be shed.


36 posted on 02/05/2015 6:20:55 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The 14th Amendment protects the life of every person. Babies are persons. Start acting like it.)
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To: FourtySeven
Anyone could easily (and rightfully) say, “Well I guess you don’t really believe it’s killing a baby, after all you’re not trying anything that could stop at least some of the things you call babies being killed. If I believed they were babies being killed I’d do everything I could to save as many of them as I could, NOW. So I don’t believe you when you claim it’s a baby”.

That's really contorted logic.

Fact is, there are three groups in play here:

1. Those who say it's okay to kill all the children.

2. Those who say it's okay to kill all the children, as long as you comply with our arbitrary schedule and rules.

3. Those who say it's not okay, morally, constitutionally, or legally, to murder any innocent person.

39 posted on 02/05/2015 6:27:51 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The 14th Amendment protects the life of every person. Babies are persons. Start acting like it.)
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