Posted on 01/25/2015 10:09:40 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
Fr. McBrien was an able and indefatigable proponent of the Catholic revolution that never was and, now, never will be, said George Weigel, widely seen as Americas leading conservative Catholic commentator.
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I agree with George Weigel
But Bishop of South Bend? Concubine? sources?
My source is Ralph McInerny. Straight out of his mouth.
Wow! I do read a lot of Ralph McInerny but never came across that. I can’t recall McBrien being a “Bishop” and if he said so this is categorically untrue. The concubine comment is defamatory if untrue and I have serious doubts McInerny would utter this as well.
Was he excommunicated? or was he still in good standing with the Church?
Nobody said McBrien was a bishop!
I said Ralph McInerny said it. Should I believe your doubts, or my own ears?
McBrien was, legally and technically, in “good standing.” I.e., he was never excommunicated, never suspended from ministry, and had faculties.
He was, however, a sleazy, weasely pro-abortion activist for decades. He was too smart to come out and promote abortion, but he was Mario Cuomo’s “house theologian.” McBrien invited Cuomo to give his infamous pro-abortion speech at Notre Dame in 1984.
We cannot know who is in hell. We have words from our Lord himself telling us that we cannot know.
But McBrien lived a publicly sinful, faithless life, and certainly set himself up, psychologically and morally, by decades of obstinacy and pride, to be incapable of repentance at the end.
It is a gross disservice to souls to ooze about God’s mercy when a monster like McBrien croaks.
In one of Father John Hardon’s tapes, he speaks of being at some conference, at which a number of bishops were in attendance. After McBrien finished speaking, Fr Hardon stood up and said: I want to say that everything, and I mean everything that man said is heresy. And he (Fr Hardon) walked out. He said what shocked him was that no one followed him.
Only one bishop in the U.S. taught Humanae Vitae. Only one bishop in the U.S. taught the police that clearing the doors of abortion clinics was a mortal sin.
Of course, only one bishop didn’t cave to Henry VIII.
History is full of examples of one man’s being right while the mob is wrong.
fr. H. Always told me McBrien was a bit of a gasbag. He was a bit of an oddity on campus for not being a CSC, which always made the Holy Crossers a bit skeptical of him. After he started heading into the 'unusual' corners of what might've passed for theological beliefs, I was always surprised that Notre Dame let him stay, but then Monk Malloy was running the show and I never thought much of him.
the problem with all major universities is they all seem to think its ok to allow some nuts on board in the name of independent thought. Problem is with a guy like FR. McBrien is they get a little too much notariety and it goes to their head.
I don't know about the accusations and will just say he has to take that up with God, much like the pedophiles. Goodbye Good Men opened my eyes to that mess, which is an entirely separate matter.
cheers
irish guard
My dad ran the Catholic Key in Kansas City for years. He would run this dude’s column and people would have choice comments to write in. The “new” bishop, Finn, forbade McBrien’s column much to my liberal dad’s disappointment.
Wow!
NCR just removed their comments’ section “out of respect for the dead.”
There were some praises there of how wonderfully “progressive” he was.
We can “progress” in holiness, but we can also “progress” in offending God by disobeying His Commandments. It matters for all eternity in which direction are we “progressive.”
We can be “conservative” in being faithful to God, or “conservative” by being stuck in the hippie morality, not willing to turn away from sin to the Lord of Mercy.
The terms “progressive” and “conservative” can be deceptive when freely thrown around.
I consider myself progressive, and view individuals like McBrien ultra-conservative: stuck-frozen in the 1960’s.
I think as Catholics we should all pray for his soul.
McBrien was never a bishop,but he was head of the theology department. A methodist theologian now at Duke has written that he and McBrien did not get along because the Methodist was more Catholic in his views than McBrien, that McBrien just didnt get his own faith.
McBrien was in the rolodex of the AP reporters. If they needed to get some contrarian views on the Church they would go to him automatically.
Poor fellow. But, Lord, how many sheep did he lead astray! The best we can say is that the man was deluded and could not help himself. Like the drunk with one leg shorter than the other who couldnt help walking in circles.
” with the full knowledge of the entire Notre Dame campus and the bishop of South Bend, “
D’Arcy ?
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