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The Mormon View of Salvation: A Gospel That Is Truly Impossible
Equip.prg ^ | January 8, 2015 | Bill McKeever and Eric Johnson

Posted on 01/08/2015 5:33:17 AM PST by Gamecock

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Salvation comes through Christ’s work on the cross; it’s about what He did for us. Mormonism places an oppressive burden squarely on what people must do.

You'd be depressed too!

Religion: Depression and the (Mormon) church

1 posted on 01/08/2015 5:33:17 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

Perhaps Mormons can go to purgatory with the rest of those who have no assurance.


2 posted on 01/08/2015 5:53:46 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: Gamecock

I spent eight+ years as a non-Mormon in Salt Lake City when I was much younger.

I have no affection whatsoever for the Mormon church.

What’s your point in posting this?


3 posted on 01/08/2015 6:02:12 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Gamecock
Salvation comes through Christ’s work on the cross; it’s about what He did for us. Mormonism places an oppressive burden squarely on what people must do.

Illustrated below. Do not pass go, do not collect $200:


4 posted on 01/08/2015 6:08:50 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: DuncanWaring

**What’s your point in posting this?**

I post, therefore I am.


5 posted on 01/08/2015 6:11:25 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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To: Gamecock

Read their Doctrine & Covenants, Word Of Wisdom, Pearl of Great Price, and Rules for Missionaries.

Rules, rules, rules and more rules. Transgress but one of them & you will not pass Go, you will not collect $200, and Joseph Smith Himself will bar you entrance to the Celestial Kingdom even if you know the secret handshakes.

The Mormon girl sunk in depression with the SLC temple in background is a telling image.


6 posted on 01/08/2015 6:16:09 AM PST by elcid1970 ("I am a radicalized infidel.")
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To: Gamecock
Mormonism isn't the only religion that thinks sinners don't have to be and that mortals should make decisions about how those who sin need to be handled. The hypocrisy of most religions moved me to a non-denominational Church that stays focused on the message of Christ's amazing gift and doesn't get distracted with self-righteous condemnation of those just like us, but whom we prefer to consider worse than ourselves. Rather we admit our own mortality and imperfection and ask that God show His Love and Mercy to all that they may come to Him in weakness and live in His Glory due to His redemption of us.

I consider all religion sinful and agents of discord.

7 posted on 01/08/2015 6:16:19 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Alex Murphy
From the chart: In life, Were you an adulterer, murderer, whoremonger or lover of lies?

I have yet to meet someone who has mongered whores.

8 posted on 01/08/2015 6:16:47 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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I have yet to meet someone who has mongered whores.

Caddyshack

9 posted on 01/08/2015 6:37:07 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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• Ninth LDS President David O. McKay, once wrote:

“The fallacy that Jesus has done all for us, and live as we may, if on our deathbed, we only believe, we shall be saved in his glorious presence, is most pernicious. Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world, has given us the means whereby man may obtain eternal happiness and peace in the kingdom of our Father, but man must work out his own salvation through obedience to the eternal principles and ordinances of the gospel. For centuries men have been blinded by the false teaching of ‘belief alone sufficient’; and today there is manifest on every hand the sorry plight into which this and other perverse doctrines have thrown the pseudo-Christian sects. The world is in sore need at the present time of the gospel of individual effort—the gospel of faith and works. He who will not grasp this means provided him, will sink beneath the waves of sin and falsehood”

(Gospel Ideals, p.8).

Procrastination

The Bible says...

For God so loved the World that He gave His only son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16).

That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9)

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? (John 6:28)

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. (John 6:29)

For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:40)

I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life. (John 6:47)

10 posted on 01/08/2015 6:54:26 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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. . . as opposed to someone who thinks they can murder, rob and do anything else "the devil makes them do" because they signed and dated the statement in the flyleaf of a Gideon New Testament once upon a time and really, really meant it?

Some of us look at that as a good start or a great milestone and not a be all, end all.

11 posted on 01/08/2015 6:55:52 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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. . . as opposed to someone who thinks they can murder, rob and do anything else "the devil makes them do" because they signed and dated the statement in the flyleaf of a Gideon New Testament once upon a time and really, really meant it?

Nice strawman. No. As opposed faith in Jesus alone.

12 posted on 01/08/2015 7:00:53 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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Part of this "plan" is temple ordinances and "work". A temple recommend is essential to attaining the celestial kingdom.

“Those Saints who neglect [temple work] in behalf of their deceased relatives, do it at the peril of their own salvation.”

A key function of temples is to perform ordinance work for our deceased ancestors. When we think of temple ordinances and the necessity to do them perfectly, without error...“… For their salvation is NECESSARY AND ESSENTIAL TO OUR SALVATION...they without us cannot be made perfect—NEITHER CAN WE WITHOUT OUR DEAD BE MADE PERFECT” (D&C 128:5, 15;...).

So, what's in store for those who don't get into a temple, to perform these "sacred ordinances"? What becomes of them? Afterall, D&C is quite clear on the matter. they cannot be made "perfect" which equates to the purported "celestial kingdom".

But here's another example of the contradictions within Mormonism. A contradiction between what JS supposedly received as revelation and the the BoM. [“The most correct book on earth.©"] Baptism for the dead, which, according to Mosiah, "...is mockery before God...".

[emphasis mine]

For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing-- But it is mockery before God, denying the mercies of Christ, and the power of his Holy Spirit, and putting trust in dead works. (Moroni 8:22-23)

Wherefore, he has given a law; and where there is no law given there is no punishment; and where there is no punishment there is no condemnation; and where there is no condemnation the mercies of the Holy One of Israel have claim upon them, because of the atonement; for they are delivered by the power of him. For the atonement satisfieth the demands of his justice upon all those who have not the law given to them, that they are delivered from that awful monster, death and hell, and the devil, and the lake of fire and brimstone, which is endless torment; and they are restored to that God who gave them breath, which is the Holy One of Israel. (2 Nephi 9:25-26)

And these are those who have part in the first resurrection; and these are they that have died before Christ came, in their ignorance, not having salvation declared unto them. And thus the Lord bringeth about the restoration of these; and they have a part in the first resurrection, or have eternal life, being redeemed by the Lord. And little children also have eternal life. But behold, and fear, and tremble before God, for ye ought to tremble; ....(Mosiah 15:24-27)

13 posted on 01/08/2015 7:01:16 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Gamecock

14 posted on 01/08/2015 7:07:19 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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No strawman . . .goes right to the heart of the old Protestant vs. Catholic wars.

Some Protestants (mostly of the extreme Calvinist variety) think all they have to do is declare belief, religious Catholics (and some Protestants) think a little effort (= works) is also important even while understanding that works alone is insufficient for Salvation.

Normal people look for commonalities and work together to defeat the antichrist of godless liberalism and their extreme Muslim, Communist and secular allies.

Idiots and traitors nitpick and subdivide those on our side into smaller subgroups with various theological (or other relatively minor) disagreements and form circular firing squads.

15 posted on 01/08/2015 7:12:41 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life. (John 6:47)

And what are the proper fruits, according to the Bible, of that faith that brings Eternal Life?
16 posted on 01/08/2015 7:16:16 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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“In Mormonism, salvation is defined in two unique ways. Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith explained, “Salvation is twofold: General—that which comes to all men irrespective of a belief (in this life) in Christ—and, Individual—that which man merits through his own acts through life and by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.”1 General salvation, or resurrection from the dead, is known as salvation by grace and is provided to all people. It is synonymous with immortality since the resurrected person lives forever”

Hog wash of the first order.


17 posted on 01/08/2015 7:21:10 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Much violence and crime can be explained by the Bell Curve (Bing it))
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Strong’s definition of “whoremonger”

a (male) prostitute (as venal), that is, (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine): - fornicator, whoremonger.


18 posted on 01/08/2015 7:30:20 AM PST by afsnco
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To: Gamecock

If faith in Jesus alone is adequate for salvation, why does He command us to pray that God “forgive us our trespasses” and “lead us not into temptation”?


19 posted on 01/08/2015 7:30:23 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Because we are not perfect, as He is.

“Even the just man sins seven times daily.”


20 posted on 01/08/2015 7:56:14 AM PST by elcid1970 ("I am a radicalized infidel.")
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