Posted on 12/18/2014 8:48:41 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.(Galatians 4:4-5)
When the apostle Paul proclaimed the coming of Christ into this world, He spoke of the Messiah as being “Made of a woman”. What is the apostle referring to? In what way could we say that Saviour of the world, and God Incarnate, was “made of a woman”?
The Apostle Paul, steeped in scripture, as was Jesus and all of the apostles, is referring to the original gospel, in Genesis three, the gospel of the ‘seed of the woman’.
When our first parents fell into sin, God called them and the serpent who seduced them before the bar of Divine justice.
He first called Adam to account, for the primary responsibility of the fall was upon Him. He asked a question,“Adam who told you that you were naked?”.
But God needn’t ask a question, for He knows everything. Why did He ask Adam a question? Because He wanted to elicit a humble confession of sin from the fallen man. But Adam refused accountability,blaming God and the woman.
God then passed on to Eve, asking her a question hoping to elicit a humble confession from her, but she blamed the serpent, rather than accept responsibility for her sin.
The Most high then turned to the serpent, but asked no questions of Him, because he had no intention to save the Devil.Instead he pronounced the doom of the serpent, in the hearing of the fallen man and his wife.
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.(Genesis 3:15)
This is called the proto-evangel, the first gospel. The woman who had listened to the serpent, and ate of the fruit, giving also to her husband, would in the mercy of God become the vessel for salvation.
Salvation and the reversal of all that the serpent had wrought, would come about through the birth of a baby, the “seed of the woman”. In normal birth, the man provides the seed and the woman the womb, but this birth would not involve a man’s seed. The Messiah would be virgin born, thus fully human but un-tainted by original sin.
The Serpent thus has a special enmity for all women, as evidenced by the Satanic religions of Islam, feminism,and almost all false religions.Islam hates and degrades women, feminism is an all out war on anything feminine, nurturing or submissive.
The seed of the woman is an individual, a virgin born Savior, who would come as the antidote to the sad story of Eve and the serpent. Eve spoke to a fallen angel, and her husband listened and consequently said, “No” to God, his will, loyalty, faithfulness and commitment.
But centuries later, another woman, the virgin Mary, had a conversation with an unfallen angel, and ended up saying “Yes” to God, although his will for her would expose her to reproach and misunderstanding.
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God nothing shall be impossible. And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.(Luke 1:34-38)
There will always be enmity between the “seed of the woman” and the “Seed of the serpent”, Because these designations are both individual and corporate.The Individual seed of the woman is the Messiah, and the individual seed of the serpent, is the Anti-Christ, the son of perdition.
But Bethlehem divides the world also into two spiritual bodies. Who are the “Seed of the serpent”? This is a spiritual designation, it involves inward affinities. The seed of the serpent are all of those who share the same rebellious pride of the Devil, and who refuse to admit their sin and need of the saving grace of God. They have no reverence for God, and never hesitate to disobey him whenever they want to.
Who then are the “Seed of the woman”? They are the ones who patiently wait for God’s full salvation, and who have humbled themselves, admitting their need of the savior, acknowledging their sin and awaiting the ultimate triumph of Good over evil through the Messiah!
For unto us a child is born and unto us, a Son is Given!
I think it also means He was fully human.
Made of a woman, just like the rest of us.
We have here a problem of translation, that also involves a problem of the physical construction of mankind, of whom The Savior must be, in every point, an exact copy.
So, how can The Pre-Existing Son of The God be dispatched by The Father God, yet be "made" of a "woman"? (Some would say, into a body made out of her flesh, hence the theological artifice of her flesh being previously free of sin, sinless; yet unbeknownst to medicine previous to the last century, lacking the Y-chromosome whose presence is absolutely necessary to impart maleness in the gestation of the fetus.)
There is an answer now completely available and obvious both theologically and medically, but ignored, denied, or rejected by those whose doctrine must have been wrong.
Pastor Bill, what is your approach on this?
“There is an answer now completely available and obvious both theologically and medically, but ignored, denied, or rejected by those whose doctrine must have been wrong.”
What is the answer?
What is a surrogate mother?
Oh.
BINGO.
Just like the rest of us except sinless and without the loss of divinity — One Person, two natures.
Jesus Christ could not sin for he was define, didn’t have the sin nature in him and his DNA was untainted by the fall and sin.
His blood and DNA was pure and uncorrupted.
The enemy tried to destroy, taint, corrupt the blood line from Eve to Mary.
That’s why God had to destroy all living flesh on the earth except Noah and his family because they were the only humans left who’s DNA was not corrupted by the fallen angels that came to earth and mated with human women that produced the giants.
It’s all in the 6th chapter of Gennises.
The Nephelim hence the fallen ones, fallen angels.
Check out Tray Smith’s video on YouTube about the Nephelim.
Most people think that God wiped out the whole earth with a flood because mankind became sinful, but that sinfullnes was only a part of the reason, it was because all flesh became, all DNA became corrupted by the fallen ones and God in his mercy to save mankind and “ the seed of the woman “ from becoming totally corrupted so God wiped out the corrupt flesh, the corrupted seed.
That's an interesting but common misconception. Hoever, your bases are totally destroyed by the overall context of correctly applied Scripture:
(1) All have sinned and are thus sinful:
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one" (Rom 3:10-12 AV) (my emphasis).
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; . . ." (Rom 3:23 AV).
"And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviou" (Lk. 1:47 AV)
All, all have sinned, including Mary. Mary needed a Savior.
(2) All are children of the god of this world, from birth:
"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them" (2 Cor. 4:3-4 AV)
"Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others" (Eph_2:3 AV)
(3) Angels cannot and do not couple with humans to produce offspring. They are spirit, and cannot bear children:
"And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire" (Heb 1:7 AV).
"For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven" (Mar. 12:25 AV)
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" (Joh 3:6 AV)
Nephilim are of no concern to us, but they were not angels. They were humans, and many commentaters opine they were children of Cain. "Nephilim" in Hebrew only means "giants" in English -- very large humans, like Goliath; but that's all it means. Samson was pretty big. We even see a few giants today, apparently a recessive trait or glandular disorder.
Please go back and erase these doctrines from your memory. They are not Scriptural, and neither are those when they preach or teach so.
I would say that because he was not concieved of the seed of man, He was without original sin.”A body thou hast prepared for me”- (Hebrews 10)
I want to know your answer
And now we have laboratories that are trying to combine the DNA of three people into a human embryo.
Pastor Bill, could you please clarify your use of "seed of man"? I do not know if you mean seed of a male, seed of a female, or seed of a human. And "of" in English is a very ambiguous term. Could you indicate which more precise Greek preposition we would be talking about here?
I am not ducking this issue at all. I just need to have a very narrow and precise definition of what you stated.
Also, Adam and Eve were both initially without original sin. Though we do not know for sure just what process The Godhead used to form Adam or Eve, still all their progeny were conceived by the combination of haploid gametes all of which had to pass on sinfulness and death to each next generation.
Mary then of herself was not able to create a male individual nor to pass on eternal life using any cell or gamete generated by her cellular constitution. Some of these facts were not known by theologians of the past ages who went beyond their knowledge base and were not willing to humble themselves in this matter and say with Daniel, "It has not been given to me to know."
Thanks!
That is of course debatable (and is in fact debated by some of our finest theologians).
While angels are spirit, they can become material as they did at Lot's house in Sodom (and the locals wanted to rape them).
Ezekiel 18:20The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.
I mean simply that Christ was not born the usual way, through the transmission of a male seed, into a female womb.I suppose the prepositon ‘Ek’ would be in order(I am no greek expert), but Christ didn’t come out from a man, He came forth from of OLD, from Everlasting-(Micah 5). The MAn Jesus CHrist had no human father, but Mary was his mother-
I agree with you. It seems quite a few on this thread would make the Proto-evangel (gospel), Gen. 3:15, something of faith and the Spirit, man a sinner needing redemption and regeneration that comes only through Christ the Redeemer, who was both God and man, into something entirely very different. Having to do with one’s race, his DNA, his flesh.
Were Paul on this thread, he would call this gospel of one’s DNA “another” gospel, 1:6-9. It is not at all the gospel he taught in his book of Galatians, of faith and Spirit. In fact, the major effort of his book was to reprove those who were doing this very thing, making the gospel of faith and Spirit into that of the flesh.
Are you (a) a sinner because you sin, or (b) do you sin because you are a sinner?
The passage from Ezekiel does not deal with Sin as a master, that is, of the Sin principle bound up with and originating from its transmission in the flesh by the union of gametes from the mother and father of the new soul's body. The sinful nature--the unavoidable propensity to commit sin--is passed from parents to child. That is "original sin."
However, the actual commission of a sinful act is done by the individual, for which he/she alone is accountable to God always, and sometimes to the community of humans. These are sins committed. That is what the Ezekiel passage explanation is about. The son is not held guilty for the sins committed by the father, singularly or in the whole; nor is the father held guilty for the sins committed by the son.
The answer to the above question is (b) you commit sins because you are a sinner. You are born with a sinful nature. Your sinful nature originates with, is transmitted by, your parents. You are not guilty of a sinful act until that nature comes into play, and you make a wrong choice.
Every human is sinful, and thus sins, but is accounted righteous only when God, the judge, imputes righteousness to the sinner when the sin is paid for with an acceptable sacrifice.
However, the person is still a sinner, and his body must die because of it.
Have a Merry Christmas!
May your Remembrance of the arrival of The Firstbegotten be blessed!
This union forms a new, living, diploid cell, the zygote, which attaches to the mother's womb, draws sustenance from the mother, and replicates itself by the process of mitosis, to form a completely new human being.
Since Mary's cells did not carry the Y chromosome, neither her body cells nor her gametes could provide Jesus' maleness. And because all of her cells bore the stain of Eve's sin, even a gamete from her cells could not combine with a pure sinless gamete from another source without contaminating it.
That is why, Pastor, I propose that all of the cellular material implanted in Mary's womb must have been created by The God.
Now, we know that The God is able to create pure, sinless human cell matter and form it into a complete person. And He is able to breathe the spirit of life into that human form.
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"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (Gen. 1:27 AV).
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" (Gen 2:7 AV).
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But cannot The God also provide the same sin-free human material to be the body into which to invest and infuse Himself, for ever? And further, might that not even be a portion (being sinless and therefore yet living from the time of Creation to Mary's time) of the same exact material he used to "make" Adam (and from him, Eve, who lacked one essential ingredient necessary to propagate all future humans).
We now have learned in the last, say 50, years that even mankind blessed with intellectual and creative gifts, has made it possible to combine male and female gametes in a Petri dish to make a complete human cell, and implant that zygote in the womb of a willing surrogate mother, not related to the donors of the living gametes, to bring that little cell to term through mitosis, organ differentiation, nurturing it to be born out of (eks) her? to emerge from her?
This would seem to me to be a good reason to call Jesus the second/last Adam, particularly if His flesh contained all the distinctive features from which all the descendants of the first Adam were "made," eh?
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"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45 AV).
"Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: . . ." (Heb. 10:5 AV) "Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart" (Psa 40:6-8 AV)
"And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" (Lk. 1:31-35 AV)
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Now, aout the implantation, translated as "conception":
Strong's G1982
ἐπισκιάζω
episkiazō
ep-ee-skee-ad'-zo
From G1909 and a derivative of G4639; to cast a shade upon,
that is, (by analogy) to envelop in a haze of
brilliancy; figuratively to invest with preternatural influence: - overshadow.
Thayer Definition:
1) to throw a shadow upon, to envelop in a shadow, to overshadow
Part of Speech: verb
"But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, . . ." (Gal 4:4 AV)
οτε δε ηλθεν το πληρωμα του χρονου εξαπεστειλεν ο θεος τον υιον αυτου γενομενον εκ γυναικος γενομενον υπο νομον (Gal 4:4 TR, P&R)
οτε = ho-teh = when; adverb
δε = deh = but; postpositive
ηλθεν = el-then =it came; verb, to come; 2nd aorist tense, active voice, indicative mode, 3rd person, singular
το = tuh = the; definite article, nominative, singular, neuter
πληρωμα = play-roh-mah = fullness, fully filled; noun, nominative, singular, neuter
του = too = the; definite article, genitive, singular, masculine
χρονου = kro-noo = time, period of time (second or era); noun, genitive,singular, masculine
εξαπεστειλεν = eks-ahp-tahee-lehoo = he/she/it sent; verb, to send forth (to dispatch); aorist tense, active voice, indicative mode, 3rd person, singular
ο = ho = the; definite article, nominative, singular, masculine
θεος = theh-us = God; noun, nominative, singular, masculine
τον = tawn = the; definite article, accusative, singular
υιον = hwee-awn = son; noun, accusative, singular, masculine
αυτου = ow-too = of him, his; pronoun, genitive of possession, singular, mascoline
γενομενον = geh-noh-meh-non = KJV and DRB say "made," but of the sense of "generated,"
or "came into being," or "brought into existence," or "emerged"; verb, aorist tense, middle (voice) deponent,
participle mode, accusative, singular, masculine
εκ = ek = from, out of; preposition
γυναικος = goo-nay-kawss = of woman; noun, genitive of origin (not possession here), singular, feminine, anarthrous (no definite article; the indefinite article "a" may be supplied here in English by virtue of context)
γενομενον = as above
υπο = hoo-poh = under; with the accusative, of place
νομον = naw-mawn = law, code of laws; noun, accusaive, singular, masculine, anarthrous (no
definite article, here where "law" is a metonomy for "a body of law," context permits
the definite article to be used)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitosis
Mitosis is the cell cycle process by which chromosomes in a cell nucleus are separated into two identical sets of chromosomes, each in its own nucleus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiosis
Meiosis Listeni/maɪˈoʊsɨs/ is a specialized type of cell division which reduces the chromosome number by half. This process occurs in all sexually reproducing eukaryotes (both single-celled and multicellular) including animals, plants, and fungi
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The proper sense of interpreting this phrase does not allow one to insist that the flesh of Mary's babe was generated from Mary's own cellular constitution. The grammar does provide that Mary's womb was the place where the flesh seed of Jesus' body was gestated in the normal process of mitosis, but it only says that the body of Jesus was propelled out of Mary's womb in the birth process,
Here the verb "made" has the sense of Jesus' body gestating from its first complete cell as placed in her by the Holy Ghost coming over her, growing by normal gestation in her, and emerging from out of her by normal birth process. I think that even the placenta will have been a mixture of Mary's blood vessels and his, but not a mixture of their blood nor of their cells. So his pure, sinless, life-bearing, incorruptible, sacrificial Blood could not have come from Mary (though sustained by it).
Here is a more precise translation of the Greek from my notes taken from the lectures of Dr. Fred Wittman:
"The God sent out The Son of His, |Who| emerged out of a woman |and| emerged under Law, . . ." (Gal. 4:4 APT) (APT = A Precise Translation; in print, the volume "The Gospels" is printed and freely available from Happ Heralds, Inc.)
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To me, this would be giving the thought that The Eternal Godhead dispatched the manifestation of Him titled "Son" to infuse himself into a perfect, sinless fully human cell; to be implanted in the willing virgin Mary's womb by the action of the Holy Spirit, without damaging the gate of her virginal flesh marking her throughout the gestation as throughly honorable until His emergence whence that observable seal was broken; and that by agreement, he placed Himself as under The Mosaic/Davidic Covenant, not over it as He had been.
Notice that in Hebrews 10:5, the verse says that when He came into the world, that moment had to be when he came down from The Heaven into Mary's womb as a fully coded organic beginning cell, not later when he emerged fully formed from the amniotic fluid of her womb into the part of the world outside her body.
This allows The God to have created a living but sinless cell, just as he created the body of the first Adam, to infuse it with the second Adam, the Spirit of The Son, and place it in Mary's womb for further development into a fully completed infant able to exist outside the host mother's womb.
Then upon birth, His Divine Nature was so commingled with his human (but sinless as Adam's was before The Fall) that He was of the constitution that He had desired Adam and Eve to display, of total obedience to a Righteous and Loving Progenitor, a behavior that the human disernment could not separate the two compatible sinless nutures operating in concert to the Glory of our Majestic Creator.
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We have to recognize that Adam and Eve as formed had to contain all the determinative characteristics of all variations of the human body, no more and no less.
Well, Pastor Bill, that's the concept gotten from Scripture, science, and medicine, all of which seems to me to form a cohesive, truthful, comprehensive summary of how the birth we recognize and celebrate now may have taken place, without having to invent doctrines such as the immsculate conceptio of Mary or that she was sinless, and therefore could not die, etc.
Thanks for your patience, Pastor Bill; and with respect for the many wholesome, encouraging meditations you have provided here!
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