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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At the core of Utopian visions is the idea that consciousness creates reality. In an objective universe the people who believe in such nonsense form the theoretical core of totalitarian beliefs. It’s more than just ivory tower musings, it has lead to the murder of millions and tyranny and poverty for billions. Reality cannot be faked or willed. The thinking in this article is toxic!


2 posted on 12/07/2014 8:25:57 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: Nateman; 2ndDivisionVet

“At the core of Utopian visions is the idea that consciousness creates reality. In an objective universe the people who believe in such nonsense form the theoretical core of totalitarian beliefs. It’s more than just ivory tower musings, it has lead to the murder of millions and tyranny and poverty for billions.

Reality cannot be faked or willed. The thinking in this article is toxic!”

Excellent point. Today reality is replaced by “narratives”, what actually happened is unimportant - what’s important is whose “narrative”, whose fairy tale gullible people accept.

But reality has a way of getting its revenge.


3 posted on 12/07/2014 9:41:12 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Nateman; 2ndDivisionVet
I don't think that the author or Deutsche are saying that consciousness creates reality. I believe what they are saying is that consciousness has a reality all its own. A stickiness that keeps it together through the splitting of multiverses.

Multiverses may be nonsense, but if they're true then this particular view seems the most amenable to free will and the importance of conscious life. Most other views of multiverses basically claim that everything is possible and there are a gazillion universes out there where sometimes we are good people and sometimes we are axe murderers.

At least this view suggests that once a person makes a decision, good or bad, that decision will be imprinted on all future universes that split off from it.

If anything this makes behaving morally even more important. Every time we make the right choice we affect not only one universe, but the future of countless multiverses.

We are still limited by physical reality. Our consciousnesses only exist because they emerge from the properties of our bodies and souls. So utopian schemes will by necessity always fail and would be bad choices to make in any universe.

And yes, just to repeat, the whole concept of multiverses could be complete nonsense.

4 posted on 12/07/2014 10:47:58 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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