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You Can Kill, but Don’t Murder: Clarifying the Sixth Commandment
National Review ^ | 12/02/2014 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 12/02/2014 7:40:38 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

The problem is not as simple as stating “That Shall Not Murder.”

You see, even professional writers and journalists have “MURDERED” the English languages through the years, and if people actually understood the means of the words and phrase which people use, then we wouldn’t have HALF the problems we currently have!

As someone already noted, people “die” in accidents, they are not accidentally “killed,” although that is the most common phrase used today by journalists, TV reporters, and authors. But, the CORRECT English phrase would be that he died accidentally.

I have told my kids for years, “WORDS HAVE MEANING!” Learn them and use them appropriately and, more importantly, listen to others use of the words - because they often do not even know what they mean. Clarify, when necessary!


21 posted on 12/02/2014 8:53:42 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Salvation
So you condemn every soldier that has taken a life in battle while serving this country to eternal damnation?
22 posted on 12/02/2014 8:55:11 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: pabianice

I like that!


23 posted on 12/02/2014 8:56:28 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

Read Eccliastes 3:
A time for peace, and a time for war.


24 posted on 12/02/2014 8:59:42 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; All

No not done away with...just updated to modern language norms. Most folks led by the Holy Spirit had read that commandment in the KJV and knew that the reference stood for ‘premeditated murder’. I remember as a teen listening to leftists citing that verse from the KJV in their tomes against war, or state execution of murderers and I knew inwardly they were twisting its meaning. Later on when I read what the Hebrew meaning was for that expression(or at least the translation from the Hebrew to English...I don’t read Hebrew) I then realized that the Holy Spirit DOES assist folks with understanding the scriptures. The term “kill” was “murder” as I had argued with the lefties over in my teen years.

Perhaps whoever has charge of the KJV translations can redo the verse as “Don’t commit premeditated murder”...someday. I suspect that even if we had the most up to date linguistically transparent translations of the Bible, folks would still twist it to deceive the sheep. That is a SIN problem, not a translation issue.

Language usage reflects changes in cultural practices...so the Holy Spirit will always need to work to keep the HEART understanding of the Bible pure as God would want us to understand it! After all doesn’t the bible say...”and I will write my laws on hearts of flesh.”?


25 posted on 12/02/2014 9:00:02 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: dfwgator

Or “some people just need killin.” :-)


26 posted on 12/02/2014 9:00:54 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: pabianice

It’s the law of self defense.... if the man wants to come and murder you unjustly, it is okay to kill him in self defense.


27 posted on 12/02/2014 9:04:51 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: SeekAndFind

Even in the case of an ambiguity of text (and the Hebrew original isn’t ambiguous) context is needed. There were various capital penalties prescribed by the Mosaic covenant.


28 posted on 12/02/2014 9:10:42 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: mdmathis6

It’s a public domain work today but yes it, too, had a copyright at one time.


29 posted on 12/02/2014 9:12:18 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Lurker; Salvation

He didn’t and the verse Salvation cites is not Christ negating the laws against murder nor execution of murderers. He was expanding on that law by equating hatreds held by a man towards another was just as harmful and “liable for judgment” as it was if a murder had been committed. Likewise, a man was liable to make good as much as possible with one who has something legitimately against him.

A great many spiritual “Ables” may prevent a great many spiritual “Cains” by following this great maxim...”Be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another as God, for Christ’s sake has forgiven you” Ephesians 4:32

You want to understand Matthew 5:21-26? Read Ephesians 4:32!


30 posted on 12/02/2014 9:16:04 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6

Most other translations, including the NKJV, translate it as “Do not murder”.


31 posted on 12/02/2014 9:17:14 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Good Muslims, like good Nazis or good liberals, are terrible human beings.)
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To: Salvation

What Eccliastes 3 says is nothing matters(over and over) except for what God says. You and God don’t get to have it both ways(if you believe your God is a just god).


32 posted on 12/02/2014 9:22:45 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Salvation
Christ came to fulfill the law.

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I always hate it when people say this. Yes it is true as far as you understand it, it does not do away with the Ten Commandments. The Law of Moses was not the Ten Commandments but the laws of daily life as outlined mostly in the last 3 books of Moses.

The Ten Commandments are still in force, are still the law of God. Breaking them has consequences, consequences that can be overturned by the Grace of Jesus Christ but not before we have paid a price, a heavy price of a broken heart and attempted to make restitution and begged forgiveness.

I hear people saying all the time that working on the Sabbath is OK now because the law has been fulfilled, hog wash. The same is true of adultery, many talk of how little a deal it is to break this and other of the Ten Commandments, THEY ARE WRONG!

33 posted on 12/02/2014 9:24:42 AM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; All

Which is why I use the NKJV as well as the KJV. It’s just that certain KJV passages sound so wonderful in the “original Handel”!

:)...... :0-—hallelujah!...for the lord God omnipotent reigggnnnneth!


34 posted on 12/02/2014 9:24:48 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: sigzero

That is why I like the NRSV and in my situation, NRSVCE or Catholic Edition. It cleans up the English.


35 posted on 12/02/2014 9:40:01 AM PST by Biggirl (2014 MIdterms Were BOTH A Giant Wave And Restraining Order)
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To: mdmathis6

Better to have an English you can understand.


36 posted on 12/02/2014 9:40:57 AM PST by Biggirl (2014 MIdterms Were BOTH A Giant Wave And Restraining Order)
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To: ExTxMarine

Do not tell that to the folks who promote ebonics! SARC!


37 posted on 12/02/2014 9:43:45 AM PST by Biggirl (2014 MIdterms Were BOTH A Giant Wave And Restraining Order)
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To: Salvation
God will always say “Thou shalt not kill.”

Tell that to the Amalekites.

38 posted on 12/02/2014 9:48:14 AM PST by Flag_This (You can't spell "treason" without the "O".)
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To: JAKraig

Just follow Christ’s(the high priest of Melchizidek) example as to how he observed the Sabbath and we should be doing just fine.

The priestly line of Aaron......the LAW OF GOD....the priestly line of Melchizidek. The Law stands apart. Aaron condemns and prescribes punishment under the law....Melchizidek seeks to redeem us from the bondage of sin caused by the breaking of the laws.
This concept of the fulfillment of the Law thru Christ bodily may be best understood by reading John 1:14”and the WORD became flesh and dwelt amongst us!”

Who was Christ but God in Flesh; the very God from whom comes his laws and statutes, his love, grace and mercy!. Christ was God’s love gift to the world. If we want to know how we are supposed to act or live, we can read of how Christ lived. Christ received a lot of criticisms for not living or speaking the way “cultured religious folks were supposed to live or speak”...but he lived the way God lives, for he was and still is indeed God!

Aaron’s way would have had the prostitute stoned....Melchizidek’s way was to forgive and redeem the prostitute and tell her...”Go and sin no more!” Christ did not set the law at naught, but used his authority as sinless savior to forgive and redeem(but with a warning Go and sin no more!). Christ healed on the Sabbath...he was accused of ‘working’ on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath and we are expected to use some brains...if we see a need to be a blessing on the Sabbath as Christ saw a need for healing, we might indeed act to be a blessing!

We are to love God with the whole of ourselves as we are able to muster and we are to love our neighbor as we love ourselves;...when we seek to master those two commandments as the holy Spirit makes us able, then we will by nature follow all of the law the way Christ followed the law. We will also have the wisdom to rightly divide what laws to follow at the time and what other laws are subordinate. Love will dictate how we are to live. For his law will be written in our inward parts....our “operating systems” if you will!


39 posted on 12/02/2014 10:01:25 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: Biggirl; All

The original Handel is a very easy language to understand...especially in Dmajor:”FOOOOR THE LORD GOD, OMNIPOTENT REIIIIIIIGNNNNETH, HALLELUJUH! HALLELUJAH!”


40 posted on 12/02/2014 10:04:59 AM PST by mdmathis6
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