Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer
Why?
Sigh...
Why don't you and PG get together and translate the Bible as it SHOULD have been done these oh so many times.
I'm sure you'd have a market for it.
So who are the ones arrested and who’s testimony brings many to the truth if all Christians are gone?
Dude, what you are weaving here makes no sense within the context of Israel defined in Romans 9-11.
Also on the church “caught up” Paul tells us we are changed immediately:
1 Corinthians 15:
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
>>So who are the ones arrested and who’s testimony brings many to the truth if all Christians are gone?<<
Revelation 14:
1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads. 2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Here's the expanded context which torpedoes your assertion "them" meant a whole bunch of people.
Genesis 1: 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
See bolded above. "Them" be Adam and Eve. Or are you implying Eve did not have dominion because she was a woman? Eve couldn't rope a steer?
No this is not describing the creation of the Adam and Eve. Not one word in this description regarding 'farming'. Or of the creation of the Garden of Eden. Genesis 2:5 specifically states ......... and there was NOT a man to till the ground. This declaration was made after the seventh day of rest by the Creator. Recorded history apart from the Written Word, also contains a 'gap' between hunter/gathers and agricultural farming.
Furthermore, the science of DNA demonstrates it is not possible for all God's children to be the progeny of only two people. There is no getting around what is fact.
We are not told IF Eve was required to create steers or rope one to survive. But I imagine she had a tough life after getting booted from the Garden of God. The way modern Christians like to weave webs, their Eve probably picked apples or pomegranates.
Obviously the rapture doctrine does not include Christ's own Words recorded in Matthew 13, whole chapter. Christ even explains His parables. It is just as great a sin to falsely accuse, and omit from the WORD.
Revelation 22:18-19, 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, IF any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 AND if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Also found in Deuteronomy 4:2; 12:32.
Of course for context the quote begins in Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent Mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches, I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright and morning Star."
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Rapturemites do not have control in the dispensation of the 'water of life'.
The subject of I Thessalonians 4 is what. Flying away to save ones soul? Why ignore the context of IThessalonians 4?
Why does not IThessalonians 4:11 get the same amount of attention as does IThessalonians 4:17. Verse 11 says And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;
12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.
Yet the whole rapture doctrine is based upon the man made divination of one single verse IThessalonians 4:17 ignoring II Thessalonians 2.
Paul even tells us who the false messiah is... IIThessalonians 2:4.
4 Who opposeth and exalted himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of GOD: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north.
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the MOST HIGH.'.....
God knew the future and what would be, He even had Ezekiel write all about it in Ezekiel 13 the teaching to His people to fly away to save their souls. Well, He said Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the LORD GOD: 'Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
There is not going to be a rapture no matter how much some believe, and use whatever means necessary to make it so.
4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
That rapture doctrine brings out the best in people now does it not?
You are a teacher of Israel and yet do not know these things?
There will be PLENTY of folks who know the Way, yet had not made the decision left behind.
One in the field, one in the bed...
Surely you've read these things?
Yes it is. It is the Man and the Woman. Why are you making this difficult. Why can't you take scriptures at face value?
Your last post is what we call in the Army...”being all over the map.”
Meaning the post was incoherent.
Secondly, ‘souls’ are not just ‘flying away’, but if you examine the literal words of the passage it says our “corrupt bodies” will be changed for the incorruptible.
You are dealing in canned ‘apologetics’, which means you are using arguments which are not relevant to what I posted.
Yes, changed immediately at the seventh trump, no dead wave, no living wave.
It's really amazing, the licentiousness of people that you know have sat in a church for decades. Of course the problem is that most churches don't teach all of the bible, they have their favorites verses they go over and over. I never studied until my early thirties and I thought I was a good guy. Studying verse by verse showed me that the bible isn't only John 3:16, it teaches you when to confront and when not to confront, and by what rules to play by, and then I knew, all that time I thought I was a good guy I was actually a jerk. People who go to church but don't study verse by verse remind me of me in my twenties with their arrogance. And then add on quoting out of context, citing false sources, namecalling on no evidence, falling endlessly over a stumblingblock when an understanding of God's Word would remove the stumblingblock, laughing at the death of fellow Christians, obessession over PC and the rules of the Godless left, and trying to nail fellow Christians on the rules the left has laid down!
As far as the rapture doctrine, you're right, and we haven't seen the worst yet, the arrests are coming, and the ones delivering God's men and women to death (Satan) I'm sure will be more arrogant than ever. But that's part of the plan. :^)
I'm not a teacher, I'm a discusser. Even the 7000 aren't necessarily teachers, the Holy Spirit will speak through them, the ones that are delivered up anyway, they won't premeditate what they will say.
...and yet do not know these things? There will be PLENTY of folks who know the Way, yet had not made the decision left behind. One in the field, one in the bed... Surely you've read these things?
So the rapture has two classes of Christians, those that are too good for the tribulation and lifted into the clouds, and those that know but will be left behind to testify?
I'll assume you didn't skip over the point on purpose, because you copied it here.Let me REpost it:
There will be PLENTY of folks who know the Way, yet had not made the decision left behind.
So the left behind quasi-Christians are skilled enough in the Word they can get up and convert those who aren't even Christian, even though no one had been able to convert them up until then, yet they haven't made their mind up about whether or not to believe in Jesus before the tribulation starts?
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