Posted on 11/17/2014 6:24:39 PM PST by ebb tide
There is a general feeling not only of great unease with the direction a strong cabal around the Pope wants to take the Church on moral doctrine, undoing the hard work of Benedict XVI and in particular of John Paul II - a cabal in which Abp. Forte has a strong presence - but also with the heavy-handedness of it all. As Cardinal George is to say in an interview to be released tomorrow, it seems as if there is a desperate rush to implement irreversible change that is hard to understand - George identifies it perhaps with an apocalyptic view of history.
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Personally I don't think this is a Liberal vs. Conservative, or Progressive vs. Traditionalist fight.
I really think that ultimately it is about money. More and more countries in the Western World are declaring traditional Christian positions illegal. Those countries are distancing themselves from traditionally Christian organizations and defunding the projects jointly operated by the government and those Christian organizations. They are also threatening to take away tax exemptions and federal funding of aging church buildings.
The Church should not care about the money, but certain individuals who are shortsighted may fear the loss of money and advocate unchristian policies however well-meaning they are.
I think some sort of communist/homosexual coup overthrew B16 and installed the Catholic Church version of Barack Obama as pope.
Shorter version for the regular guy:
This Forte person was the one who wrote the section (on his own) on homosexuality that freaked everyone out at that big Catholic gathering (the synod)
He is from Italy and has been bad mouthing this Franciscan order of priests so much that even ordinary “moderate” clergy voted against him for a high position in Italy.
This Franciscan order got permission from previous Popes (St JohnPaul 2 and Bendedict to use the old (Pre-Vatican 2) Latin Mass.
Use of this Mass has become a way to stake out your mark as a conservative Catholic and the Jesuit social justice type (c)atholics hate it.
While “vocations” (new members joining the priesthood) have been falling in other orders, these types of orders have been growing and the libs are doing what they can to stop them.
This was a little payback, not just for his BS at the Synod with homosexuality, but for badmouthing these Franciscans.
Someone talking like this about the Pope is NOT a faithful Catholic.
We are called to obedience, especially when having zero facts or immediate knowledge of what has taken place.
This is not news from the Vatican. This is not even news from a real, or true faith filled Catholic.
This is a typical distortion of truth regarding the Catholic church.
Great summary.
Where have you been for the last 15 months?
Franciscans of the Immaculate decree worries traditionalists
I think it's Evil versus Good.
Never mind. I just checked your home page.
Amen. This is written by an apostate masquerading as a faithful Roman Catholic. This guy repeatedly posts crazy and inaccurate screeds about the Pope and the Church.
in before mistranslation excuse....
Well, I am as faithful as the next guy, but the fact is this pope is anything but clear in anything he says.
Obedience to the notion that same-sex unions are a “precious support in the life of the partners”? This is what Pope Francis approved for publication in the relatio post deceptationem. Unless God has suddenly changed His mind regarding such things, something is very wrong with this picture.
papolatry: excessive veneration or worship of the pope
I really think that ultimately it is about money. More and more countries in the Western World are declaring traditional Christian positions illegal. Those countries are distancing themselves from traditionally Christian organizations and defunding the projects jointly operated by the government and those Christian organizations. They are also threatening to take away tax exemptions and federal funding of aging church buildings.
That's a very interesting perspective on things that I had not given much thought before now.
The late Malachy Martin identified it decades ago and called it "The Superforce."
The facts convict Francis. Removal of Burke, the bishop from Paraguay and the FFI. Keep in mind that nuns who escort women into abortion clinics are fine. FFI nuns going to a TLM? Now that’s a problem. Bishop v. Bishop ha been foretold for sometime.
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