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To: Safrguns
>> "Tell me... Who gets a pass? Who will NOT be cast in the lake of fire?" <<


Only those that truly believe as the word believe was understood in Yeshua’s time.

If you want to know what that means, read John's first epistle.

Yeshua asked us to obey his commandments. He said that those that love him keep his commandments.

What is “iniquity?” Not keeping his commandments; teaching others not to keep his commandments.

1John 2:

[1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
[2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

What is the definition of sin?

1John

[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5] And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6] Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
[7] Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

To me this seems simple and clear; he who is righteous gets the “pass.”

If we truly know him, he has written his Torah on our heart. If he has written Torah on our heart, we love his Torah, and keep it out of love. If that is not where you are, then you are not in him!

Do you think John, of all of the apostles, knew Yeshua? Do you want to believe that John is misleading us?

Was Paul lying in Romans 2 when he said

"[13] For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." ?

145 posted on 11/18/2014 3:41:31 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

>>> To me this seems simple and clear; he who is righteous gets the “pass.” If we truly know him, he has written his Torah on our heart. If he has written Torah on our heart, we love his Torah, and keep it out of love. If that is not where you are, then you are not in him!

If you consider yourself righteous under the law, then the truth is not in you.

You cannot come to truly know Him until you recognize that you are incapable of righteousness under the law, and instead rely upon His sacrifice on the cross which PAID for your unrighteousness.

When you stand before God, He will judge you according to your righteousness, or He will judge you according to the righteousness of Christ who took on and bore the penalty for your sins in your stead.

You cannot have it both ways. It’s either Christ’s blood sacrifice that saves you, or your ability to follow the law to perfection... which IS the standard of holiness.

Christ was perfect FOR us.

If we recognize that, and believe it, we will naturally respond in love and SEEK to follow in His example, even though we know we will not always succeed.

Only a prideful man can rest in his own righteousness.


148 posted on 11/18/2014 4:16:17 PM PST by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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