The BIG mormon December holiday rather than CHRISTmas...is SMITHmas!
What makes 'Smithmas' Smithmas?
Posted on 11/13/2014 8:53:33 AM PST by greyfoxx39
As the new essay unintentionally hits the fan, Mormons are reeling and responding with their classic denials, claim of victim-hood and their typical repertoire of logical fallacies.
Soon, their favorite defender, the straw man argument will be in full regalia, culminating in a passive aggressive indirect platitude statement (such as doubt your doubts, you have to go around the BOM, etc.) in the next general conference to which members will cling to for life.
Already I have been contacted by members with their "straw man babies". So I have compiled a list of the quorum of the 15 straw men arguments that Mormons are making about this already:
1) It’s not that some girls were married “back then” at age 14. It’s that she was NOT married to Joseph, since he was married to another person who was not aware of the situation. 14 years old were by no means older back then. He had sex with his foster daughter, period. He has sex with the wives of men who he sent away on missions and made the women lie about their liaisons, full stop.
2) Joseph was forced to practice it by an angry angel. Joseph must have been one hell of seer to know to start practicing it before the revelation AND the angry angel came. It’s that none of the 40 women, suspiciously, including Emma, ever saw the angry angel. It's that he didn't have 40 wives, he had one, and 39 KNOWN affairs that he spend most of his time and efforts trying to conceal.
3) It’s not that the church is being "honest". It’s that there is a term for when before you are being honest, for 180+ years.
4) It’s not that some marriages MAY not have had sex, it’s that some did. It’s that some were married to other men and some were children. It’s that the ones that turned him down were destroyed and shunned. It’s that all were coerced or forced to practice it. It's that the church has, for the past 180 years, trying to collect, destroy, deny or file away any reference to these relationships being physical.
5) It’s not that it's OK because Emma accepted it and felt peace about it, it’s that Joseph got her best friend pregnant and did not tell Emma, and she in turn threw her pregnant friend down the stairs and she miscarried, maybe the peace came after that, or after she threw Fanny Algers on the street. Maybe the peace came after she left the church.
6) It’s not that people are demanding that Joseph smith be perfect, it’s that maybe a convicted con-man, polygamist, bank defrauder, fugitive, liar, pedophile, wife-thief, serial adulterer, plagiarist and murderer might not be the best person to trust with a story about an invisible gold book. it was Jesus when speaking on how to tell false prophets that said "by their fruits ye shall know them"...well, here's your sign.
7) It’s not that it was about raising children, or marrying a virgin, or being approved by the first wife, or about being more women than men or that it was OK after 1834…because NONE of those applied to Joseph.
8) It’s not that it is OK because “it was a long time ago”. It’s that it happened at all. It’s that those girls were children. It’s that it was a revelation and then he denied over and over and in May 1844 (he had 30+ wives by then) he offered to prove his accusers to be perjurers and to provide (falsified) affidavits.
9) It’s not OK because you have a testimony. It’s that your testimony is based on a fictitious character carefully created by the church media department. If you have a testimony, you don’t know the real Joseph.
10) It’s not about the church discontinuing the practice by the commandment of God. It was that they were forced to by the US government and therefore it shows that the church will change its history, doctrine, practices, and policies to make sure that the corporation survives.
11) It’s not that it is not practiced now. It’s that Gordon Hinckley lied on national TV a few years ago and said it was only practiced after they came out West and it was not doctrinal. Well, the thing is that an angel appearing 3 times is pretty doctrinal and so is The DOCTRINE and COVENANTS,which is canonized doctrine. It's that thousands of now ex-Mormons were excommunicated, attacked, gas-lighted, called names and shunned for even suggesting what these essays contain.
12) It’s not that it’s a fleck of history. It’s that thousands of children suffer in sexual relationships with adults in cults TODAY because of the practices and doctrines you cowardly failed to address, up until now, and which your founders taught as a requirement to enter heaven.
13) It’s not about polygamy; it’s about your church pretending that they are the defender of monogamous marriage, between one man and one woman as stating that this has always been so. It’s that you are stepping on the civil rights of others, just like you did those women, all in the name of religion. You can't claim those relationships to be marriages and at the same time, use your sudden love for the law, to deny other people their right to marry, so, pick a side.
14) It's not that the church has abandoned it. It’s that the concept of men forcing women and children into their bed using revelation is "a thing" in your doctrine. It’s about Warren Jeffs being JUST like Joseph Smith. He did not die an innocent lamb at the hands of evil men, he died because he slept with children and other men's wives, he died because he violated masonic oaths, he died because when his adultery was exposed by his former close associate, whose wife he tried to shag, he destroyed the printing press. It's that men can be sealed to more than one woman TODAY in the temple and women can't do the same.
15) It is not that the media and world does not understand Mormonism; it’s that you don’t understand Mormonism.
It reminds me of the psycho atheists or obsessed leftists n
Derangement syndrome.
The comments here, eg I am making straw men arguments, are examples of the psychopathology.
Exmormon.org has been around for a LONG time. There is actually some very good stuff on the site. This article is a tiny sampling of the body of evidence on the site.
Mormons don't need suicide bombing. They destroy their own people from within.
“And it isn’t about some exmormon NOR their issues, dude. It is about YOUR false Prophet”
Your response is perfectly reflective of your odd mentality.
I am not a Mormon, nor do I endorse or believe in it.
I don’t argue against any of this information being obsessively presented.
But your obsession blinds you to any sense of perspective.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3225934/posts
Diver discovers shipwreck cluster in Lake Michigan [victims of Mormon pirates off Beaver Island]
The history of Mormonism is quite interesting. Most false religions have similar histories.
But the unhealthy obsession and liberal-like lack of any sense of history or perspective makes these attempted jeremiads a bit psychopathic.
There’s not a good spirit there.
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I remember in high school in the 70’s seeing Walter Martin lecture on Mormonism.
He did not need to resort to shrill hysteria.
Yeah.
I used to support Saints Alive (AKA Ex-Mormons for Jesus). I decided it was not my particular calling, though I agreed with what they were doing. Thes ex-mormon sites are run by real live ex-mormons. They have their calling (I don’t see it as an “obsession”) and I have mine. I don’t begrudge their methods, at least not the ones I’ve seen.
I get enough flack from people around here about my beliefs on the eternal fate of the unsaved (annihilation as opposed to eternal, conscious torture).
False comparison.
Trying to say that a mass Mormon Caliphate once tried to take over the entire USA?
“I haven’t heard of any Mormon suicide bombers yet.”
Please read about Bill Hickman, Orrin Porter Rockwell, and the Danites.
Sure.
Nothing any of those did is comparable to what the Caliphate did to Europe, or even what the Caliphate’s pirates did to the nascent USA. If there was any historic Mormon military march on Washington DC, then there would be a valid comparison.
I do not get the impression that exmormon guy is a Christian.
I am not talking about Mormon ministry in general, but this specific post.
Given the choice of having a next door neighbor be Mormon, Islamic, or a Son of Obama, I’m taking Mormon every day of the week.
“Well, if everyone knows about it already, why is it in the news right now?”
So you trust the NY Times and MSM?
News media love this stuff. It takes the focus off their modern day Joe Smiths that they love and they think it smears conservatives (but somehow it doesn’t smear Harry Reid, go figure).
The BIG mormon December holiday rather than CHRISTmas...is SMITHmas!
What makes 'Smithmas' Smithmas?
I do not get the impression that exmormon guy is a Christian.
That is what is so insidious about Mormonism. It claims to be Christian and once a person sees the ruse, they apply the thinking to Christianity in general.
Yes, get over it... As opposed to Joseph Smith who, "got on top of it", over and over and over again... but not with dudes. Underage and married females...
I haven't heard of any mafia suicide bombers either but that doesn't say they aren't both crooked...
That’s probably what Harry Reid’s neighbors say too.
Mormons are sinners just like you and I. It’s a shame they think they are somehow better.
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