Seven Proofs for the Natural Immortality of the Human Soul

Tim Staples' Blog ^ | September 24, 2014 | Tim Staples

[CynicalBear]

>>It doesn't say they have no rest forever and ever.<<

Rely on you insertion of punctuation if you want but the Greek doesn't have any. I'll go with the Greek as well as other passages which I notice you conveniently ignore.

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction (olethros) from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

olethros - 3639 /ólethros ("ruination") however does not imply "extinction" (annihilation). Rather it emphasizes the consequent loss that goes with the complete "undoing." [http://biblehub.com/greek/3639.htm]

[CynicalBear]

>>You're arguing against Malachi (and other scriptures)<<

Um, I didn't write 2 Thessalonians 1:9. Nor did I write Matthew 25:46

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish (apollumi) but have everlasting life.

apollumi - From apo - from, away from

Perish "from, away from" God.

[DouglasKC]

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. 2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction (olethros) from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; olethros - 3639 /ólethros ("ruination") however does not imply "extinction" (annihilation). Rather it emphasizes the consequent loss that goes with the complete "undoing." [http://biblehub.com/greek/3639.htm]

Sure, it means DEATH. AS in no more life, as in no eternal life.

Strong's Concordance and Thayer's Concordance:

LSJ Gloss:
ὄλεθρος
ruin, destruction, death

Strong's:
ὄλεθρος
a prolonged form); ruin, i.e. death, punishment
Derivation: from a primary ὄλλυμι (to destroy;
KJV Usage: destruction.

Thayer:
1) ruin, destroy, death
1a) for the destruction of the flesh, said of the external ills and troubles by which the lusts of the flesh are subdued and destroyed

Ordinary usage of the word (as well as John 3:!6 as well as Malachi as well as numerous other places) say that man is burned up destroyed, that he does not have an immortal soul, that we are mortal and that the gift of God is eternal life.

To think otherwise is to believe that we don't need Jesus to have eternal life which goes completely against scripture.

[CynicalBear]

>>To think otherwise is to believe that we don't need Jesus to have eternal life which goes completely against scripture.<<

No, it doesn't go against scripture. We have eternal "life" with Christ. They go to eternal torment/punishment. Atheists believe that life simply ends and their is nothing after this life on earth. They take your words and live it up now because they don't care to live eternally with God and have no fear of anything after they leave this life. Satan loves the "no eternal punishment" crowd.

[DouglasKC]

>>To think otherwise is to believe that we don't need Jesus to have eternal life which goes completely against scripture.<< No, it doesn't go against scripture. We have eternal "life" with Christ. They go to eternal torment/punishment. Atheists believe that life simply ends and their is nothing after this life on earth. They take your words and live it up now because they don't care to live eternally with God and have no fear of anything after they leave this life. Satan loves the "no eternal punishment" crowd.

Satan loves the "You can have eternal life without Christ crowd" more. Besides disagreeing with scripture it gives rise to all kinds of heresy. Reincarnation for example.

But the worst thing about it is that it takes away our freewill. It supposes that God creates us immortal and that our default position is to burn forever. Thank God that the God of scripture creates us mortal so that we're given the choice of life or death....death or life everlasting through Christ:

Deu 30:19 “I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;

The choice has always been the same...life or death. Not life or life.

[Yosemitest]

The smoke might, but the torment won't.
"Attention to Detail" ... and again ... "Attention to Detail" !

[Yosemitest]

"Trinity", one of the GREAT WHORE's greatest traps.
Have you never read John 1:1-18 ?

[Yosemitest]

"Armstrong said the salvation is dependent on works.
That is not what the apostles taught.

You have been deceived.
That is Satan's trick.

Read again

" Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. "

And read again:

" But he that heareth , and doeth not,
is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth;
against which the stream did beat vehemently ,
and immediately it fell ;
and the ruin of that house was great. "

Can you remember reading about "a thorn in their side"?

"But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you;
then it shall come to pass,
that those which ye let remain of them
shall be pricks in your eyes,
and thorns in your sides,
and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
Moreover
it shall come to pass,
that I shall do unto you,
as I thought to do unto them."

Someone once said:

"The only way one can accept the truth and retain their sanity is to trust God."

There may be more to it than that.
Doing is important.
I believe the "fiery trial" has already started.
We haven't been very diligent " ... to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses ... "
and there are consequences for our actions and in-actions.
We are living in the time of those consequences.

[Yosemitest]

Have you forgotten(?):

"Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men,
and he will dwell with them,
and they shall be his people,
and God himself shall be with them,
and be their God.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;
and there shall be no more death,
neither sorrow, nor crying,
neither shall there be any more pain:
for the former things ARE PASSED AWAY ."

[Yosemitest]

Thanks.

[CynicalBear]

Well, well, well! A full blown Herbert W. Armstrong anti Trinity apostate!!!

[Elsie]

Seven Proofs for the Natural Immortality of the Human Soul

HMMMmmm...

I saw NO 'proof' of anything here!

[Elsie]

Dont usually read any of the religious posts but this is an accurate comment from my perspective..... and you can sure get roasted on this site for saying things like that.

Oh???

[Elsie]

Christianity is the one faith and philosophy that can save mankind

None other has a Savior!

Be good or ELSE is what EVERY other one boils down to!

[Elsie]

Eternal life, immortality, is a gift from God. Not accepting that gift means that one is NOT immortal.

I guess that 'everlasting' fire will burn on without inhabitants then.

[Elsie]

I shudda read ahead yet again...

[Elsie]

makes you look sophomoric, ~and unexperienced in "DEBATE" .

I guess ETERNAL is defined differently for you.

[Elsie]

Also, the Holy Spirit is not a person, but an active force emanating from God.

JW's again?

[CynicalBear]

>>JW's again?<<

Certainly has fallen for the Herbert W. Armstrong false teaching. Lot's of spin offs from that apostasy.

[DouglasKC]

I guess that 'everlasting' fire will burn on without inhabitants then.

Nope...people will burn up, be reduced to ash and stubble.

Mal_4:1 "For behold, the day is coming, Burning like an oven, And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up," Says the LORD of hosts, "That will leave them neither root nor branch.

Joh 15:6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

But according to Jesus the everlasting fire is actually prepared for Satan and his demons:

Mat 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: