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Written by a False Prophet who met an early death.
Posted on 11/11/2014 6:50:40 PM PST by Colofornian
On October 22...LDS.ORG posted three essays dealing with the practice of plural marriage by members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints between the 1830s and 1904...
Several major controversies have been generated in conjunction with the introduction of plural marriage in Nauvoo in the early 1840s. All of these are briefly discussed in the introductory essay,
Polyandry (paragraphs 20–23, endnotes 29–30). The essay acknowledges that “Joseph Smith was sealed to a number of women who were already married,” estimating the number of these sealings at 12–14 (endnote 29)...
Fanny Alger...
Sexuality...
Children with plural wives...
Number of plural wives...“Careful estimates put the number between 30 and 40.”
Emma Smith’s involvement (paragraphs 25–28). The essay explains that plural marriage was “an excruciating ordeal” for Emma...
Young wives (paragraph 19). Exposing itself to criticism, the essay euphemistically refers to Helen Mar Kimball’s sealing as occurring “several months before her 15th birthday” rather than at age 14...
In lauding the Church’s effort to explain this difficult topic, some may assume that in defending the essay we are in fact defending polygamy. We are not. On earth, polygamy expands a man’s sexual and emotional opportunities as a husband as it simultaneously fragments a woman’s sexual and emotional opportunities as a wife. The practice is difficult to defend as anything but unfair and at times emotionally cruel.
...Joseph Smith taught that couples who are sealed in eternal marriage..."shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths…and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. Then shall they be gods”(D&C 132:19–20)...
(Excerpt) Read more at blog.fairmormon.org ...
Written by a False Prophet who met an early death.
Millions of the Jaredites are slain in battle—Shiz and Coriantumr assemble all the people to mortal combat—The Spirit of the Lord ceases to strive with them—The Jaredite nation is utterly destroyed—Only Coriantumr remains.
1 And it came to pass when Coriantumr had recovered of his wounds, he began to remember the awords which Ether had spoken unto him.
2 He saw that there had been slain by the sword already nearly atwo millions of his people, and he began to sorrow in his heart; yea, there had been slain two millions of mighty men, and also their wives and their children.
3 He began to repent of the evil which he had done; he began to remember the words which had been spoken by the mouth of all the prophets, and he saw them that they were fulfilled thus far, every whit; and his soul amourned and refused to be bcomforted.
4 And it came to pass that he wrote an epistle unto Shiz, desiring him that he would spare the people, and he would give up the kingdom for the sake of the lives of the people.
5 And it came to pass that when Shiz had received his epistle he wrote an epistle unto Coriantumr, that if he would give himself up, that he might slay him with his own sword, that he would spare the lives of the people.
6 And it came to pass that the people repented not of their iniquity; and the people of Coriantumr were stirred up to anger against the people of Shiz; and the people of Shiz were stirred up to anger against the people of Coriantumr; wherefore, the people of Shiz did give battle unto the people of Coriantumr.
7 And when Coriantumr saw that he was about to fall he fled again before the people of Shiz.
8 And it came to pass that he came to the waters of Ripliancum, which, by interpretation, is large, or to exceed all; wherefore, when they came to these waters they pitched their tents; and Shiz also pitched his tents near unto them; and therefore on the morrow they did come to battle.
9 And it came to pass that they fought an exceedingly sore battle, in which Coriantumr was wounded again, and he fainted with the loss of blood.
10 And it came to pass that the armies of Coriantumr did press upon the armies of Shiz that they beat them, that they caused them to flee before them; and they did flee southward, and did pitch their tents in a place which was called Ogath.
11 And it came to pass that the army of Coriantumr did pitch their tents by the hill Ramah; and it was that same hill where my father Mormon did ahide up the records unto the Lord, which were sacred.
12 And it came to pass that they did gather together all the people upon all the face of the land, who had not been slain, save it was Ether.
13 And it came to pass that Ether did abehold all the doings of the people; and he beheld that the people who were for Coriantumr were gathered together to the army of Coriantumr; and the people who were for Shiz were gathered together to the army of Shiz.
14 Wherefore, they were for the space of four years gathering together the people, that they might get all who were upon the face of the land, and that they might receive all the strength which it was possible that they could receive.
15 And it came to pass that when they were all gathered together, every one to the army which he would, with their wives and their children—both men, women and children being armed with aweapons of war, having shields, and bbreastplates, and head-plates, and being clothed after the manner of war—they did march forth one against another to battle; and they fought all that day, and conquered not.
16 And it came to pass that when it was night they were weary, and retired to their camps; and after they had retired to their camps they took up a howling and a alamentation for the loss of the slain of their people; and so great were their cries, their howlings and lamentations, that they did rend the air exceedingly.
17 And it came to pass that on the morrow they did go again to battle, and great and terrible was that day; nevertheless, they conquered not, and when the night came again they did rend the air with their cries, and their howlings, and their mournings, for the loss of the slain of their people.
18 And it came to pass that Coriantumr wrote again an epistle unto Shiz, desiring that he would not come again to battle, but that he would take the kingdom, and spare the lives of the people.
19 But behold, the aSpirit of the Lord had ceased striving with them, and bSatan had full power over the chearts of the people; for they were given up unto the hardness of their hearts, and the blindness of their minds that they might be destroyed; wherefore they went again to battle.
20 And it came to pass that they fought all that day, and when the night came they slept upon their swords.
21 And on the morrow they fought even until the night came.
22 And when the night came they were adrunken with anger, even as a man who is drunken with wine; and they slept again upon their swords.
23 And on the morrow they fought again; and when the night came they had all fallen by the sword save it were fifty and two of the people of Coriantumr, and sixty and nine of the people of Shiz.
24 And it came to pass that they slept upon their swords that night, and on the morrow they fought again, and they contended in their might with their swords and with their shields, all that day.
25 And when the night came there were thirty and two of the people of Shiz, and twenty and seven of the people of Coriantumr.
26 And it came to pass that they ate and slept, and prepared for death on the morrow. And they were large and mighty men as to the strength of men.
27 And it came to pass that they fought for the space of three hours, and they fainted with the loss of blood.
28 And it came to pass that when the men of Coriantumr had received sufficient strength that they could walk, they were about to flee for their lives; but behold, Shiz arose, and also his men, and he swore in his wrath that he would slay Coriantumr or he would perish by the sword.
29 Wherefore, he did pursue them, and on the morrow he did overtake them; and they fought again with the sword. And it came to pass that when they had aall fallen by the sword, save it were Coriantumr and Shiz, behold Shiz had fainted with the loss of blood.
30 And it came to pass that when Coriantumr had leaned upon his sword, that he rested a little, he smote off the head of Shiz.
31 And it came to pass that after he had smitten off the head of Shiz, that Shiz raised up on his hands and afell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died.
32 And it came to pass that aCoriantumr fell to the earth, and became as if he had no life.
33 And the Lord spake unto Ether, and said unto him: Go forth. And he went forth, and beheld that the words of the Lord had all been fulfilled; and he afinished his brecord; (and the chundredth part I have not written) and he hid them in a manner that the people of Limhi did find them.
34 Now the last words which are written by aEther are these: Whether the Lord will that I be translated, or that I suffer the will of the Lord in the flesh, it mattereth not, if it so be that I am bsaved in the kingdom of God. Amen.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/ether/15
And yet the BOOK says...
Ether 14:22
And so swift and speedy was the war that there was none left to bury the dead, but they did march forth from the shedding of blood to the shedding of blood, leaving the bodies of both men, women, and children strewed upon the face of the land, to become a prey to the worms of the flesh.
Elsie, I said the first 5 books of the Bible were written by Moses who was a polygamist Prophet of God.
You know, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
The same guy who gave us the Ten Commandments where the 7th one says thou shalt not commit adultery.
Is Polygamy adultery or not or do God’s rules not apply to Moses?
Thanks for the info. This is just sex abuse in my opinion.
So what?
I can cite several current & recent Lds general authorities who have "recorded" more than one wife. Three such current ones would be Dallin Oaks, L. Tom Perry, and Russell M. Nelson. So what?
Just because I say it still makes the issue of concurrent wives an argument from total silence. (Oh, sure, you might tell me they were married to these wives serially but I'll act like you: Unless you can show me the death certificates & wedding certificates of their wives, then to be consistent with your logic, I'll otherwise assume they were/are polygamists...No matter what, I'll be closer to what Mormons regard as "truth" -- because in Mormon eyes, these general authorites are eternal polygamists!)
Let's start with Sarah vs. Keturah: Sarah lived to be 127...died in Canaan...all recorded in Genesis 23:1-2, 19-20. When does Keturah enter the picture in recorded Scripture?
We know Abraham took Keturah as a "wife" in Gen. 25:1 post Sarah's death...So, yet again, your monogamy timing is less than impeccable. As for Masek, indications from the Septuagint are that she was a maidservant...and some think perhaps Keturah's maidservant.
Per from what I could research in a limited amount of time, I didn't see Masek ever referenced as Abraham's wife. If she indeed was Keturah's maidservant, then likewise she came along after Sarah's death.
A possibility exists that Masek was a concubine...but even that isn't clearly delineated. And again, do you know how long Keturah lived? (I don't); so again, we don't know exact timing details of Abraham's matrimony, do we?
And why not? That was indeed a faithless action!
Certainly the whole thing was an act of faithlessness. Sarai didn't trust God's promise. She resorted to earthly means. The result was the people group that led to the Muslim break-out upon the earth...and neither Moses (Gen. 21) nor the apostle Paul (Gal. 4) speak positively of the consequences.
A. Hagar was gone from the scene by Gen. 21:14ff...so she wasn't in any relationship with Abraham when Keturah came along.
B. She was NEVER the maidservant of Abraham -- only Sarah (Sarai).
C. Most importantly, follow the following eye-witness testimony trail from the Bible:
(1) God never told Abraham to sleep with Hagar for a night. The Angel of the Lord--whom most commentators think is the pre-incarnated Son of God, told Hagar post sleepover to return to her mistress (mistress is a female master, in this case Sarai) and to submit to mistress Sarai. (He NEVER said to return to "your husband, Abram"...see Genesis 16).
(2) Hagar, even after sleeping with Abram once (that's all that's mentioned) continues to be labeled as a servant/slave by none other than…
…Abram,
…Sarai,
…the Angel of the Lord (who some say is the pre-incarnated Son of God),
…Moses (Gen. 25),
…even the apostle Paul (Gal. 4:21-31),
…and Hagar herself.
Sarai labels Hagar as a gift as a "wife" to Abram, but I question if a woman has the authority to "consent" on behalf of a slave.
Hagar was considered a slave both "before" and "after" sleeping with Abram. Why does the "before" matter? Just as a minor cannot "consent" to sex, a slave is in no better situation to "consent" to--or deny--her master's commands for sex with her husband. And in this case, the command didn't come from her husband, Abram; it came from her mistress (female word for "master"), Sarai (Sarai is twice referenced as "mistress"--Gen. 16:4,8).
Why does the "after" matter?
Because it shows she didn't become a "transformed" person--from slave to wifely status! Gen. 16:6,8,9; 21:11; 25:12; and Gal. 4:21-31 all are still referencing her as either a "slave" (twice in 21:11), "servant," or one who was told by the Angel to submit to her mistress (female word for "master"). By Gen. 25, Abraham is married to Keturah with no mention of Hagar (25:1) and is then buried with Sarah (25:10).
So, if we were to call all the key witnesses to the stand, and hear what they have to say:
Q Hagar, after Sarai gave you to Abram and Ishmael was conceived, did you still acknowledge Sarai as your "mistress" in your conversation with the Angel of the Lord? [female master]
A Yes. (Gen. 16:8)
Q Sarai, when you were in your early nineties when Isaac was a toddler, how did you characterize Hagar?
A I told Abraham, Get rid of thatslave woman and her son, for that slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with my son, Isaac. (Gen. 21:10)
Q Abraham, after Sarah gave you Hagar and you slept with her, how did you characterize Hagar?
A I told Sarah, as mistress (master) of her servant, Your servant is in your hands. Do with her whatever you think best. (Gen. 16:6)
Q When Sarah began to mistreat her servant, Hagar, did you intervene like what we might expect a husband to do?
A No. Hagar was Sarah's servant.
Q Angel of the Lord, when you called to Hagar after she conceived Ishmael, how did you reference her?
A Servant of Sarai (Gen. 16:8)
Q And when you conversed with Hagar, did you, Angel of the Lord, acknowledge that she was released from her servant role to Sarai?
A No. In fact, I told her Go back to your mistress and submit to her. (Gen. 16:9)
Q Moses, since you wrote Genesis, how did you identify Hagar in her last reference of that book? Did you link her to Abraham?
A No. I identified her as "Sarah's maidservant" (Gen. 25:12).
Q So in that same passage, you link Ishmael to Abraham, but you link Hagar only to Sarah?
A Yes.
Q Apostle, Paul How did the Holy Spirit lead you to interpret the Old Covenant as expressed through Abraham?
A
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise. These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother...Now you brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? 'Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son.' Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman. (Gal. 4:21-31)
ALL: Rad_J cannot prove Moses was married to the any two of his wives simultaneously. It's an argument from silence.
We simply don't know when his earlier wife died. There's no Biblical record of her death...some surmise she died around the time of Numbers 10...but even that is also conjecture built upon silence.
Jacob got two wives via deception at the hands of his father-in-law. (Unless you think institutionalizing deception integrated into marriage is an "OK" deal.
And who "authorized" two slaves to be a "wife" to Jacob?
Women -- their mistress-masters, who really didn't have any authority to tell a slave what to do sexually with their bodies. Slaves cannot "consent" to sex "legally" any more than a minor can.
Well, then, if your argument from silence is right -- that Moses married women simultaneously -- then why did he write these two interesting verses? (I expect an answer):
17 He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. (Moses, Deuteronomy 17:17)
And then Leviticus 18:18 is quite interesting in light of Joseph Smith's "marriages" to the Partridge sisters and Koontz sisters:
18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living." (Moses, Lev. 18:18)
Smith married Eliza and Emily Partridge March 4, 1843; and others say he married Nellie Koontz, Susan Koontz, and Mary Koontz.
So...how do you squirm out of the above verses?
You sure did!
And Mormonism has written; in it's scriptures, in more than one place; that POLYGAMY is to be shunned.
Remembering that Joseph Smith got RID of the errors in the bible (JST), by adding things that allegedly restored it; what say ye to this?
Ooooh!
Lotsa squirmin' on THAT honeymoon!
Really informative
OK.
Romney sucks
You really think that?
hahahah
2 wives and 2 handmaidens didn’t fit the song as well. So, according to you, Abraham was just sleeping with the help but only a one night stand so it doesn’t count?
The bible says in Genesis 16
3 And Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
4 And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.
Moses wrote this as a Prophet of God as scripture and called her a wife. Sarai didn’t write it and Moses is not quoting her. No matter what her other titles might be, Moses called her a wife of Abraham. Moses is writing a history and was not alive during these events.
According to the prophet Moses, the prophet Abraham was a polygamist even if just for one night
To say that the Bible is silent on the subject of Moses being married to Zapporah and an Ethiopian woman at the same time is you willfully ignoring context.
Moses mentions Sarai’s death and mention his sister’s death but doesn’t mention his own wife’s death. It is therefore more likely that she hasn’t died yet when Moses wrote the 5 books.
Moses’ father in law was just mentioned in numbers 10:29.
Then just over a chapter later it says Moses married an Ethiopian woman and Miriam and Aaron are upset about it. It was a big enough family fight that God cursed Miriam with lepercy. Why were Miriam and Aaron against Moses getting married to an Ethiopian? Maybe because she was black or maybe because it was a polygamous marriage. Maybe they were upset for both reasons.
It is a fact that Moses married a 2nd woman with no evidence that his first wife died or that they were divorced but very close to the time when her father was still Moses’s father by law.
It is a fact that Jacob, grandson of Abraham and a Prophet of God, had 4 wives. Leah and Rachel, who were SISTERS, and their two handmaids Zilpah and Bilhah.
The house of Israel, the 12 tribes of Israel, God’s chosen people, were started by a Prophet of God who was a polygamist.
This polygamist family is the foundation of Christianity and the Jewish religion.
There you go again, ignoring context. Deut. 17:17 is referring to kings of Israel that God shall choose.
17 He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.
18 When he takes the throne of his kingdom, he is to write for himself on a scroll a copy of this law, taken from that of the Levitical priests. (Moses, Deuteronomy 17:17-18)
So, lots of horses(verse 16), lots of wives, and lots of gold and silver are bad for the king. It does not say he only gets one horse, one wife, one gold, and one silver. Why then did God choose David the polygamist to be a king of Israel? Why did he choose wise Solomon the serial polygamist to be a king of Israel?
In Deuteronomy 21 it says this to the rest of his people, not specific to the kings of Israel:
“15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love...”
Two wives, just like Moses.
Why did Moses even give the command in Lev 18:18 if a second wife was not allowed? There is no reason to say do not marry your wife’s sister as your 2nd wife if another wife is not allowed in the first place. Why not just say do not take another woman as your 2nd wife?
18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.” (Moses, Lev. 18:18)
(But after your wife is dead, have sexual relations with her sister all you want? Lol)
Moses says it’s not ok to marry your wife’s sister but obviously it is ok to marry an Ethiopian as your 2nd wife.
The Prophet Jacob married sisters so why didn’t that disqualify him from being called as a Prophet of Go?
and what about Exodus 21:10
“10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.”
The context appears to me to say if a man buys himself a servant for himself (as his wife) then she still has marital rights if he marries another woman. Sounds like polygamy.
Why would I squirm? God chose rophets who were polygamists and he chose kings of Israel who were polygamists. If God was against polygamy, why did he choose so many polygamists as his prophets and kings?
What ELSE did GOD have to work with other than SINFUL men?
GOD 'chose' a Liar &Deceiver - Jacob - does this mean lying and deception is ok?
GOD 'chose' a MURDERER - Moses - does this mean murder is ok?
GOD 'chose' a PROSTITUTE - Rahab - does this mean prostitution is ok?
GOD 'chose' an Accountant/Treasurer - Judas - does this mean ...
See the pattern here?
Matthew 19:7-9
They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?"
He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.
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