Posted on 11/08/2014 8:35:21 PM PST by walkinginthedesert
True, while i think most Protestant churches miss how the Lord's supper is to show the Lord's death till He comes. It is not by somberly ingesting a piece of bread handed out by a minister, but by unselfishly sharing a communal meal with the focus on caring for each other, because Christ "purchased with his own blood." (Acts 20:28) Thanks be to God.
Oh it’s way way worse than trampling the blood of Christ underfoot. It’s taking it into a sinful body that isn’t worthy of it.
But that’s how merciful God is.
You really ought to read more if that's the impression you have.
Read the Diary of St. Faustina. Read the Divine Comedy. Julian of Norwich. The pious Catholic who goes up to receive the Holy Eucharist is positively *awash* in Love, almost in ecstasy thinking about what Our Savior did for us.
You apparent confusion comes from you don't know know what to do in memory of Jesus...
And that of course is where the position of the one High Priest comes in...
Ah, see how far we've fallen. The Rationalist invents himself a Christianity where everything *must be explained or it cannot exist*.
Yes mystical. The man who cultivates a sense of mysticism is being honest about where he stands in relation to the Ineffable God. Much better that than the rationalist who watches the Red Sea part before him yet won't cross because he can't explain it.
So let me see if I get your point here. God’s Eternal vantagepoint of the Universe is *not really applicable to the issue*?
Funny, I’d think it was more applicable to the issue than our own.
Is it true, or is it not true, that Calvary, like every other moment in time, is eternally present to God the Father who lives in the Eternal Now?
That's quite an oxy-moron...How do you buy into that???
Responding to Protestant sects who denied that the Eucharist is anything more than a memorial, the Council of Trent (1545-63) declared that “The same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross, is present and offered in an unbloody manner” in the Mass.
For those of us who believe the God of the scriptures, there is no validity of your Catholic council of Trent...
This does not mean, as some critics of Catholicism claim, that the Church teaches that, in the Mass, we sacrifice Christ again. Rather, the original sacrifice of Christ on the Cross is presented to us once more.
It wasn't presented to you to begin with...Why would it be presented to you now??? We don't require a sacrifice...God requires the sacrifice....
And of course you guys teach that YOU sacrifice Christ...It's all over Catholic literature...
This re-presentation, as Fr. John Hardon notes in his Pocket Catholic Dictionary, “means that because Christ is really present in his humanity, in heaven and on the altar
Of course Jesus is NOT present in his humanity...Don't any of you Catholic ever read a bible???
Joh_16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
he is capable now as he was on Good Friday of freely offering himself to the Father.
How could he??? He's not here...HE IS RISEN...The Holy Ghost is here in his place...Christians are indwelt with the Holy Ghost/Jesus/God, comforter...What need would we have of a representation of the sacrifice???
This understanding of the Mass hinges on the Catholic doctrine of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
It's a complete mis-understanding; no, a perversion...
LOL...let's say I am searching the Scriptures like anyone else and the HOLY SPIRIT CONVICTED ME that Holy Communion is the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Whaddya gonna do about that Iscool? Don't I as an individual believer have the right to search the Scriptures? It's the BIBLE ALONE for me, baby, and the BIBLE ALONE tells me I'm right. ;)
Genesis 14: And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Not sure why it’s so hard to believe that Calvary is being re-presented at Mass....shucks, we’re watching John 6 play out all over again in this thread! ;)
I don't think so...I see that as a philosophical (wisdom of man) attempt at an explanation for things of God that are not understood in the spiritual realm...
At one time I bought my first car...Past tense...I can tune into my conscience and see myself buying that car right now...But guess what, I am not buying my first car today, and tomorrow or the next day...God has given us no indication he see anything any differently...
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
When was 'in the beginning'??? Does it say that God is creating the earth???
The creation is past tense...God certainly knows that...It's done with...It's finished...Just as God knows the sacrifice of his Son is past tense...It is finished...
Eternally known or present does not mean eternally ongoing.
Then show us from "the Bible alone" where the sin of eating blood was rescinded. And while your there show us where the assumption of Mary was taught by the apostles.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
There is nothing in the revelation of Scripture, nothing at all, to suggest something like the “eternal now,” though there are modern philosopher/theologians who suggest it. Paul Tillich, for example, who also introduced other concepts, such as the quasi-pantheistic notion of God as the “ground of being.” Such anti-Biblical notions have been a “gateway drug” leading some to theological liberalism and even atheism. It was a cause of great spiritual harm to me personally, though my path into the Christo-Buddhistic matrix was through Bultmann. By God’s grace, I was rescued from that nonsense, but not without considerable pain.
But we do know God relates to time differently than we do. A thousand years being as a day, etc. But this is not timelessness. This is eternal spirit not being hemmed in by decay and demise like we are. We have our fleeting moments and return to dust. A thousand years is really beyond our imagination. Not so God. He acts in time and history and never wearies and never grows old. He never has less time to do what he plans.
But none of this is the artificial construct of the Eternal Now. In Scripture, we are told Jesus died for our sins, once for all. Past tense. That is the revealed truth God wanted us to have. To remake that by force fitting it into an artificial construct of time, in order to justify an artificial construct like transubstantiation, defies both reason and Scripture.
Peace,
SR
What utter nonsense.....and no wonder the leadership and Priesthood ‘focus on this ritual’, it keeps people coming back to a false concept that they are receiving the “saving power of Christ” again and again...and again.
Clearly they forget that we celebrate His Resurrection as His ultimate Victory.
As I see it one of many differences of catholics and other faiths is they are stuck at celebrating a Crucified Suffering Christ....while the rest of us celebrate A Risen Glorified Christ.
This is likely why they cannot seem to grasp the words of Jesus...”It is finished”....that we are complete in Him....and further that they have to prove they are worthy by their rituals and works.
As I see it Mass it’s just another Roman tactic to keep the people dependent on the Priesthood and remaining with the catholic church. After all without their Priesthood the whole thing would fall.
I am going to continue to show you with scripture that you stopped way short of what the Holy Spirit is trying to teach you...You have to skip miles and miles of scripture to come to that conclusion...
But the truth is: you guys go for your catechism alone...And you may occasionally look in your Catholic bible to see if a word or two matches what's written in the catechism...
You are charged with: Search the scriptures, Test the spirits and Prove all things...
But for reality's sake, it's easy to see that self proclaimed bible believers agree with each other that your Eucharist is illegitimate...
It is only those (some of who may read the bible) who do NOT believe the bible who follow along with this Catholic Eucharist thing...
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