Posted on 11/08/2014 4:34:43 AM PST by kinsman redeemer
‘At this very critical moment, there is a strong sense that the church is like a ship without a rudder,’ said a prominent Catholic conservative last week. No big deal, you might think. Opponents of Pope Francis have been casting doubt on his leadership abilities for months — and especially since October’s Vatican Synod on the Family, at which liberal cardinals pre-emptively announced a softening of the church’s line on homosexuality and second marriages, only to have their proposals torn up by their colleagues.
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Incidentally, a Pope who is a saint does not have one iota more authority than a Pope who is not a saint.
This is a pious superstition. The Pope is chosen by the College of Cardinals.
I agree. It is up to us to defend fellow Catholics. No one else will do it.
I am not a theologian by any stretch of the imagination. But I try to be knowledgeable on the important issues.
I also am always friendly and polite. I am never confrontational even when provoked. But I speak out when people continue to spread vicious lies about Catholics.
That is absolutely correct. The mere fact that adultery has occurred is not evidence of nullity. Is this controversial?
I'm Catholic myself, but I don't understand why that is the Church's position.
Damian Thompson is a very well-informed Catholic, whose commentary on Catholic matters is insightful.
Why is the fact that he writes about classical music somehow a negative?
“Personally, I think all good Christians should be on guard against the spirit of suspicion AND the spirit of DIVISION.”
Precisely my point! Thank you!
In the Vatican II council a spirit of DIVISION reigned and continues in Francis today.
Ignoring the past generations of how to offer the Sacred perpetual Sacrifice, with a new modernized way; with, for example, the priest being essentially deprived of his stately office of priesthood and being sidelined to a protestant-like (not a scriptural-like) presbyter.
It was the divisive protestants who wanted so badly communion in the hand to demonstrate the lack of True Presence in the host.
Numerous cardinals walked out of the first presentation of the Novus Ordo (New Order) Mass at the council.
Virtually all of the seminaries and convents and parochial schools have been emptied of deep aesthetic devotions and traditions of discipline and devotions and replaced with homosexuals and lesbians and Marxists and secular teachers and welcoming of heretical teachings in the immediate (30 years) wake of Vatican II.
The very words of Jesus were corrupted in the consecration as a fruit of Vatican II, which only recently Pope Benedict XVI corrected. (Jesus according to scriptures said “...for the many.” not “... for all.”)
Yes, it is time to RESTORE UNITY with history, not continue down the road of DIVISIVE destruction, spitting on the worship of countless saints.
“Incidentally, a Pope who is a saint does not have one iota more authority than a Pope who is not a saint.”
A declared saint by a legitimate papacy has more CREDIBILITY with me than one who hasn’t been declared a saint.
Which has more credibility with you?
Oh just stuff it. You have your beliefs and I have mine.
The "breakdown" of a marriage is not, in itself, evidence that a marriage never existed. (People don't seem to be aware that all priests are instructed NEVER to discuss annulment [except academically, as in a class] unless it's a question of a marriage which has irrevocably broken down and has already resulted in civil divorce. If the breakdown of a marriage were ipso facto proof of nullity, there would be no annulment process at all.)
The only way to understand why the Church teaches what it does is to start with the definition of marriage. This, of course, the world is not interested in. The last thing anybody wants to hear in connection with Catholicism is a definition of terms.
The best possible resources for the layman (I use the term in the sense that would include clerics who are not canon lawyers) are two books by Dr. Edward Peters.
http://ascensionpress.com/products/annulments-and-the-catholic-church
http://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/100-answers-to-your-questions-on-annulments/
“God is not a divine being with a magic wand”. I’ll never forget that one.
Nonsense.
When it comes to the teaching of the Catholic Church, that is precisely what is NOT true. I do NOT have my beliefs and you do NOT have yours. There is the teaching of the Church, and that is all.
There is absolutely NO basis in the teaching of the Catholic Church for the pious, but superstitious, belief that the Conclave enjoys anything analogous to infallibility.
The Church’s, and the Pope’s, infallibility is concerned only with the content of the dogmas of the Church and the content of the Church’s moral teaching. It absolutely does not extend to acts of governance, or to practical decisions of any person or body.
The Pope is the Pope. He exercises authority in the Church. His authority comes from the fact that he is Bishop of Rome.
It does NOT stem from the “fact” that the Conclave was directed by the Holy Spirit to pick the “right man,” the “best man,” or “the man God wanted.”
God IS a being with a magic wand?
I’d say He IS a Divine being and His Word is all the “magic wand” He needs.
Credibility is not the same as authority.
Of course Pius V or Pius X is more credible than Bergoglio.
But neither Pius V or Pius X had more juridical power than Bergoglio, and neither one had the power to tie the hands of any future Pope in the exercise of his juridical power.
This does not mean that I think the Missal of 1969 was not a disaster, etc.
I agree with your spirit. These FReepers AREN'T ignorant. They are, for the most part, fairly educated.
They may or may not know squat about our faith but they DO know how very, very much they detest our faith. I had NEVER, ever come across such anti-Catholic attitude until I came, and JUST RECENTLY, to these threads.
I used the term "Catholic haters" a while back and got warned by the Religious Moderator. I guess you aren't on his radar yet. With these posts, you will be. Wear that as a badge of honor.
I find MUCH anti-Catholicism by just a FEW posters. Most posters here, of all ilks, aren't here to hate anyone. They may hate IDEAS but not people.
IDEAS: THAT is what our site is supposed to be about.
OPINIONS: THAT is what our site is supposed to allow ALL posters.
That ANY of our posts are deleted is a shame, not for the RMs, but for those who post enough PERSONAL venom to warrant it. Too bad the venom is equally deleted.
Lol. Amen.
Pray hard, God will never forget His own.
I’d say based on the evidence that both are “community activists” and are wanting to “fundamentally change” established institutions. They both may have good intentions but that does not change the fact they are destructive to those same institutions. Both feel chosen. Narcissism blinds one to ones own faults.
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ALL true.
You sure are NOT a "dumb-bunny."
Must be the mountain air. :o)
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