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Seven Sub-Topical Samples Proving Mormonism's Occultic Origins [The OTHER WORLD Series]
Colofornian | Oct. 28, 2014 | Colofornian

Posted on 10/28/2014 5:23:04 AM PDT by Colofornian

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To: laotzu
Did you seriously ask about my underwear?

My apologies. I confused you with another.

Provide where I engaged in personal attack, or apologize and confess that you are engaged in un-Christian-like behavior.

The power of Christ compels you. The power of Christ compels you.

121 posted on 10/30/2014 4:26:10 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I notice that your interest in underwear only extends to me.

Perhaps we could meet on E-Bay.

122 posted on 10/30/2014 4:30:44 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu

“I notice that your interest in underwear only extends to me. “

No one else is a covert mormon.

Either you are a mormon and wearing the magical underoos,

OR you are a very, very confused poster, who doesn’t understand the Scriptures.

OR both.

You never answered.


123 posted on 10/30/2014 4:32:15 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: SZonian
Did you seriously ask about my underwear?

My apologies. I confused you with another. As far as I know, you are not a jock-strap pervert.

Provide where I engaged in personal attack, or apologize and confess that you are engaged in unChristian-like behavior.

The power of Christ compels you. The power of Christ compels you.

124 posted on 10/30/2014 4:39:14 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
You never answered

Answered what? Explain why it matters, and I will answer any question you offer.

125 posted on 10/30/2014 4:43:43 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Shall I describe them to you?


126 posted on 10/30/2014 4:47:11 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu

” Answered what? Explain why it matters, and I will answer any question you offer.”

I am asking you to declare if you are a mormon. If you are wearing the temple underwear, you clearly are a mormon.

If you are not a mormon, please explain your understanding of what it means to be a Christian, since you are making the truth claim that mormons are Christians.

Thanks.


127 posted on 10/30/2014 6:13:43 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: laotzu
As this is a Christian bashing thread, it is the Christian faith that is being weakened.

 
" The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success
unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly -
- it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."

128 posted on 10/31/2014 3:15:10 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: laotzu
Mormons believe that Christ suffered and died for our sins.

Well; SOME of them anyway...


http://www.mormonthink.com/QUOTES/bloodatonement.htm

129 posted on 10/31/2014 3:17:14 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: laotzu
I will stand with my Mormon brothers and sisters in Christ.

Which ones?


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

130 posted on 10/31/2014 3:19:06 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: laotzu
I will stand with my Mormon brothers and sisters in Christ.

So you think that both Catholics and Protestants are WHORES; too?

131 posted on 10/31/2014 3:19:41 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: laotzu
The pathetic nature of it is laughable.

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


132 posted on 10/31/2014 3:20:46 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: laotzu
The pathetic nature of it is laughable.

That's no way to speak of the Precious Truth of Mormon scripture!

133 posted on 10/31/2014 3:21:35 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: laotzu
Ah! Personal attack. Sweet.

I have always understood that ad hominems qualify the loser of any debate.

It appears your short term memory is having a bit, shall we say, of a problem...


 
To: SZonian; Godzilla
The swine satan keeps changing his guise saying "deny them, deny them, abandon them". His lackeys are starting to swarm. Who will he send next?

The pathetic nature of it is laughable.

 
108 posted on ‎10‎/‎30‎/‎2014‎ ‎5‎:‎03‎:‎06‎ ‎PM by laotzu



134 posted on 10/31/2014 3:26:31 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: laotzu

Some folks ask questions...
Others make assertions...


135 posted on 10/31/2014 3:27:39 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Normandy

You seem to have skipped over THESE:

#37 Just WHERE, in the bible, do you find THIS?
#51 Just WHERE, in the bible, do you find THIS?

Was it accidental??


136 posted on 10/31/2014 3:30:25 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Normandy
An 1830 statement titled "Testimony of Three Witnesses"—one statement signed by three men rather than three separate statements—was published at the end of the first edition of the Book of Mormon:

Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, his brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seeen [sic] the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shewn unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvellous [sic] in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.


137 posted on 10/31/2014 3:31:48 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Normandy
Joseph Smith and his scribes wrote of two instruments used in translating the Book of Mormon. According to witnesses of the translation, when Joseph looked into the instruments, the words of scripture appeared in English. One instrument, called in the Book of Mormon the “interpreters,” is better known to Latter-day Saints today as the “Urim and Thummim.” Joseph found the interpreters buried in the hill with the plates.
 
 Those who saw the interpreters described them as a clear pair of stones bound together with a metal rim. The Book of Mormon referred to this instrument, together with its breastplate, as a device “kept and preserved by the hand of the Lord” and “handed down from generation to generation, for the purpose of interpreting languages.”
 
https://www.lds.org/topics/book-of-mormon-translation?lang=eng

138 posted on 10/31/2014 3:32:30 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Normandy



"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."
---Joseph Knight's journal.


"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.
(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),
"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,
as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,
and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."


"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"
reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881
in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:
 
 "When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,
Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12
June 15, 1879,  pp. 190-91.)


Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:
 
"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"
("A New Witness for Christ in America,"
Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)


"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."
---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.




139 posted on 10/31/2014 3:33:49 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Normandy
The following are the LYING images that MORMONism has produced, KNOWING that they represent something FALSE!!
 
 
   
                                 

140 posted on 10/31/2014 3:34:27 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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