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Religious Liberty Threats: 2 Recent Incidents Raise Serious Concern/Show the Road Ahead May be Rocky
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 10-20-14 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 10/21/2014 7:16:59 AM PDT by Salvation

Religious Liberty Threats: Two Recent Incidents Raise Serious Concern and Show the Road Ahead May be Rocky

By: Msgr. Charles Pope

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Two stories recently in the news illustrate that the path for religious liberty is going to get increasingly rocky in the days ahead. Up until now, the main dispute of the Church with the federal government has been over the “HHS Mandate” requiring us to provide contraception and abortion coverage. We have seen some legal victories on this front, but the battle is far from over and the cost in terms of money, time, and other resources has been enormous.

The two new cases involve same-sex attraction. One case centers on certain rights being afforded to “gay” (LGBTQ) citizens and religious objections to this. The second case involves requiring certified Christian ministers to perform same-sex unions.

With these sorts of cases, there are always going to be those who want to argue the subtleties of the particular case and thereby suggest we ought not get too worked up about things because there are just small technical issues at stake. But beware the incremental quality of these sorts of things. Abortion was originally championed only in those rare cases in which the “life or health of the mother was at stake.” The open sale of contraceptives was originally only to be to married couples and surely minors would be prevented from purchasing them. Now things have gone so far that children are not only supplied with contraceptives, but are referred for abortion without parental consent or even in spite of parental objections.

Yes, things begin in small, “restricted,” and subtle ways. Gradually we are desensitized and barely notice that our liberties are being stripped from us. Many think that it will never happen in America, that a minister speaking to his congregation about moral issues would face penalties for it. This is America, after all, and we have constitutional rights to speech and religious liberty!

Well, stay sober, my friend. Liberties of any sort are seldom taken away instantly. Rather, the thing to be more concerned about is their steady erosion.

Let’s look at these two cases. The first is from Houston and the excerpts that follow are from an article in Time magazine. The full article is here: Houston Pastors’ Sermons Subpoenaed

Houston, … in recent days … subpoenaed sermons of several pastors who oppose a recently passed equal rights ordinance for gay and transgender residents. The subpoenas are an attempt by city officials to determine how the preachers instructed their congregants in their push to get the law repealed …

The law, passed into law by Mayor Annise Parker in May, is often derided as a “bathroom bill,” because it allows transgender individuals to choose whether to use a male or female restroom.

… Mayor Parker, meanwhile, has pledged not to enforce the ordinance until there’s a court decision. But the move by the city to subpoena Houston’s pastors, who have been vocal on the issue and have urged their congregants to support a repeal referendum, has drawn national attention …

“The chilling effect of government scrutiny of our pastors is unconstitutional, and unconscionable,” Tony Perkins [of the Family Research Council] said in a statement. “Mayor Parker’s use of her bully pulpit to silence pulpit freedom must be stopped in its tracks.”
Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott also issued a letter saying the city impinged on the pastors’ First Amendment rights and called for the subpoenas’ immediate reversal … “The people of Houston and their religious leaders must be absolutely secure in their knowledge that their religious affairs are beyond the reach of the government.”

… Mayor Parker and City Attorney David Feldman appeared to backtrack on the subpoenas Wednesday, saying they had only recently learned of them and that outside lawyers handled the lawsuit. They argued the city is merely looking for communications from those pastors regarding the petition drive, but that the subpoenas’ language was inappropriate.

“There’s no question the wording was overly broad,” Parker said in a news conference Wednesday. “But I also think there was some deliberate misinterpretation.”

Feldman, the city attorney, called the uproar over the wording “ridiculous,” but also has argued that if a pastor is speaking about political issues from the pulpit, it’s not protected.

Note especially the final line of the quote, wherein our concerns are called “ridiculous,” but even more important, note that the city attorney refers to concerns over the public advancement and legal protection of the LBGTQ agenda as “political.”

Never mind that for some 5,000 years the Judeo-Christian moral tradition has spoken of homosexual acts (as well as heterosexual acts of fornication and adultery) as sinful. That’s right, never mind all that. The city attorney gets to tell us that the concerns that these pastors are raising are simply “political.” Note that it is he who gets to determine that, and that it is the government that will back up his assessment with penalties simply because it is speech that he or other officials determine is “political.”

Many speak in the same way about abortion. Many a Catholic priest who has spoken about abortion from the pulpit has been scolded for “talking about politics” in church. But of course abortion is, first and foremost, a moral issue. Sadly, it is been usurped into the political process, where different parties largely take opposing sides.

To some degree the same thing is happening regarding homosexual acts and whether they should be affirmed or provided special legal protection. But just because this moral issue has been drawn into the political process does not mean that it is no longer a moral issue.

The government does not have an unrestricted right to tell ministers what is a political and what is a moral issue. It will be granted that outright partisan politics from the pulpit is a bridge too far. In churches that have tax-exempt status, the ministers ought not say, “Vote for candidate ‘X’ or “Vote straight party line ticket ‘B’.” But on an issue by issue basis, churches and ministers can and must speak to the moral issues of the day.

Things like theft, murder, lying, illicit sexual activity, greed, and so forth remain moral issues no matter how these things play out in the political process. A government attorney does not get the right to tell a minister that moral  issues, constantly held by the Judeo-Christian tradition extending back 5,000 years into record human history, are now simply “political” issues.  Any person of good will ought to see that this is chilling.

Not only are the government officials saying this, but they are threatening with penalties those whom they say transgress. The word subpoena, as you probably know, means (literally from the Latin) “to be under penalty.” In other words, if compliance is not forthcoming, penalties will follow. SO this is not just a debate over semantics of what is political and what is moral. This is a matter that, had the law gone forth, was going to carry the force of law and involve penalties.

Yes, stay sober, my friends. Although the government officials in Houston walked this back a bit, calling it just a big “misunderstanding,” this is just the first shot across the bow.

The Second Story is even more sobering:

City officials told Donald Knapp that he and his wife Evelyn, both ordained ministers who run Hitching Post Wedding Chapel, are required to perform [same-sex] ceremonies or face months in jail and/or thousands of dollars in fines. The city claims its “non-discrimination” ordinance requires the Knapps to perform same-sex wedding ceremonies now that the courts have overridden Idaho’s voter-approved constitutional amendment that affirmed marriage as the union of a man and a woman.

[A Lawyer for the minsters said] “Many have denied that pastors would ever be forced to perform ceremonies that are completely at odds with their faith, but that’s what is happening here – and it’s happened this quickly. The city is on seriously flawed legal ground, and our lawsuit intends to ensure that this couple’s freedom to adhere to their own faith as pastors is protected just as the First Amendment intended.”

“The government exists to protect and respect our freedoms, not attack them, The city cannot erase these fundamental freedoms and replace them with government coercion and intolerance.”

The Hitching Post Wedding Chapel is across the street from the Kootenai County Clerk’s office, which issues marriage licenses. The Knapps, both in their 60s and who themselves have been married for 47 years, began operating the wedding chapel in 1989 as a ministry. They perform religious wedding ceremonies, which include references to God, the invocation of God’s blessing on the union, brief remarks drawn from the Bible designed to encourage the couple and help them to have a successful marriage, and more. They also provide each couple they marry with a CD that includes two sermons about marriage, and they recommend numerous Christian books on the subject. The Knapps charge a small fee for their services.

[Last] Friday, the Knapps respectfully declined such a ceremony and now face up to 180 days in jail and up to $1,000 in fines for each day they decline to perform that ceremony. (These are excerpts, full story here: Government Threatens Ministers for Not Performing Same-Sex Weddings)

Let me say from the outset that I am not a big fan of this sort of “wedding chapel” ministry. Couples need to spend time to prepare and not rush out from getting a license and go across the street to a “hitching post.” However, the couple has been doing this for over forty years and are “ordained” ministers who do focus their effort in religious themes and settings.

Whatever my personal reserve about their catering to impulsive couples, it is surely though not the place of the government to compel them to perform their religious ceremonies for people whose clear behavior violates the ministers deep-seated religious beliefs.

Yet it would seem that this is exactly what is happening if the facts are reported correctly here. Carterers, photographers, and others are facing the same penalties nationwide.

Now this leads to a very critical point in the religious liberty issue: it is not the Church alone that has religious liberty, but YOU, the American citizens have religious liberty. The State should not be able to compel you to violate deeply held religious beliefs.

It will be granted that a compelling concern could permit the State to overrule a religious practice. For example if a religious group called for child sacrifice, that would create a compelling State interest in preventing the exercise of such a grave violation of natural and civil law. But the ability of a same-sex couple to be able to do as they please in terms of a “wedding” venue is not a compelling State interest.

Further, the religious concern in play here is not some obscure doctrine but one that has been operative for millennia, and only recently abandoned by some.

Yes, be sober, my friends, the steady erosion of religious liberty continues apace in this country. Political correctness, cultural change, intolerance, and expansive government power are becoming the “perfect storm” that is eroding the religious liberty of many. The storm may still seem offshore to many, but its outer bands are already spreading a dark mantle over the land.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; homosexualagenda; lgbtq; msgrcharlespope; religiousfreedom; religiousliberty
**Well, stay sober, my friend. Liberties of any sort are seldom taken away instantly. Rather, the thing to be more concerned about is their steady erosion.**

Amen.

1 posted on 10/21/2014 7:16:59 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Monsignor Pope Ping!


2 posted on 10/21/2014 7:17:43 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Full title: Religious Liberty Threats: Two Recent Incidents Raise Serious Concern and Show the Road Ahead May be Rocky


3 posted on 10/21/2014 7:18:05 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

One clarifying thing that needs to be recognized

is that criminalization of Christian beliefs is not just a side-effect of the homosexual rights movement.

It is THE GOAL of the left, and the homos are just a convenient and effective spearpoint.


4 posted on 10/21/2014 7:20:48 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Salvation

Liberty Road is always rocky.


5 posted on 10/21/2014 7:21:35 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Salvation

On the other hand, bravo, who am I to judge?


6 posted on 10/21/2014 7:23:48 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Salvation
it is not the Church alone that has religious liberty, but YOU, the American citizens have religious liberty

Yes. And we also have political liberty. It is therefore all government obfuscation when it points out that the Houston pastor was making political statements and the Idaho ministers were little more than a commercial outlet. We either have liberty or we don't. It appears, the government has taken the position that we don't. So why is it still called a government?

7 posted on 10/21/2014 7:53:59 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Salvation

Who muzzled the ministers?

I thought I read it was a Johnson EO? Is this correct?

If it is an EO, it should be reversed. Post-Obama, of course.

If it is a law, it should be repealed.


8 posted on 10/21/2014 8:10:18 AM PDT by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: Salvation

That was the “winning” or “money” sentence of the whole article!

BINGO! We have a WINNER!


9 posted on 10/21/2014 8:20:24 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: MrB

Get ready folks to “lock and load”!


10 posted on 10/21/2014 8:21:51 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Salvation

A liberal's idea of "freedom".

11 posted on 10/21/2014 8:31:46 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: MrB

**is that criminalization of Christian beliefs **

This may come, but if we pray and pray and pray, perhaps it won’t.


12 posted on 10/21/2014 9:02:35 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: stinkerpot65
Will this be true in America?

First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

Community and individuality are not opposites. People cannot survive on their own. When the odds are stacked against you, you must rally with the oppressed and hated.

When a growing oppressive regime is taking hold, you must act, otherwise you will soon face your enemy alone and hopeless.

Strength of community is a strength as much as individualism, as long you are willing to face weaknesses in your own community. Ignoring slacking values will mean that you will be rallied against by those you oppress.

Niemöller affirms we must rally against unhealthy organized regimes. We must also stay vigilant with those that appear to be good natured, as all organisation attracts corruption. Niemöller also warns us that if it is you who are corrupt, then you will face a stronger combined force of foe!
Vexen Crabtree


13 posted on 10/21/2014 9:05:28 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

It WILL come, we’ve been warned.


14 posted on 10/21/2014 9:09:18 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Salvation
Dear Monsignor Pope:

If your church had not so strongly allied itself with the Democratic party over the last half century, we might not find ourselves in this fix today.

Face it, the Catholic leadership has been thoroughly used by the Democrats, and now having outlived its usefulness, is about to be discarded by them.

15 posted on 10/21/2014 9:29:37 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: MrB
It is THE GOAL of the left, and the homos are just a convenient and effective spearpoint.

I hope it never comes to it, but that's a battle I would readily give my life fighting.

16 posted on 10/21/2014 11:08:58 AM PDT by ScottinVA (We either destroy ISIS there... or fight them here. Pick one, America.)
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To: ScottinVA

I don’t think we’ll be fighting it...


17 posted on 10/21/2014 11:11:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

There will be a fight, bigtime fight, mark my words.


18 posted on 10/21/2014 1:13:52 PM PDT by Biggirl
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To: ScottinVA

I see a revolt is my lifetime.


19 posted on 10/21/2014 1:14:26 PM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

If your church had not so strongly allied itself with the Democratic party over the last half century, we might not find ourselves in this fix today.

and if the southern Protestants (remember the Solid South) had not allied so strongly with the Democrats in the first half of the last century, we might not find ourselves in this fix today...

see how easy that game is to play...?


20 posted on 04/23/2015 8:01:44 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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