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You Can’t Reform Islam Without Reforming Muslims
Frontpagemag.com ^ | October 21, 2014 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 10/21/2014 3:11:18 AM PDT by Biggirl

Every few years the debate over reforming Islam bubbles up from the depths of a culture that largely censors any suggestion that Islam needs reforming.

(Excerpt) Read more at frontpagemag.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Islam; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: greenfield; islam; muslims; reform
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1 posted on 10/21/2014 3:11:18 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl
What's to reform? It's a written code of law/religion/government.

The only way to reform it is with FIRE! There is NOTHING there worth saving.

2 posted on 10/21/2014 3:24:29 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: rawcatslyentist; Biggirl

>> What’s to reform? It’s a written code of law/religion/government.

Yeah, that. I would add that it’s a code written by satan himself.

>> The only way to reform it is with FIRE!

... and that, my FRiend, will happen. I read the end of the book.

>> There is NOTHING there worth saving.

The evil of islam notwithstanding, muslim *individuals* are GOD’s children, and are worthy of salvation if they accept Jesus Christ. Pray that they are reached before it is too late for them.

FRegards and GOD’s blessings on you. In JESUS’ name.


4 posted on 10/21/2014 3:38:44 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed is his demon)
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To: Nervous Tick

Many thanks for the last sentence. Pray for the conversion of all to Christ!


5 posted on 10/21/2014 3:39:46 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

In other words, you can’t cure the patient without killing him.


6 posted on 10/21/2014 3:41:38 AM PDT by lbryce (Barack Obama:Misbegotten, Bastard Offspring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: Biggirl

Great as always.


7 posted on 10/21/2014 3:44:00 AM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Biggirl

Interesting article - thanks for poting.

The point of the article, that Islam is not just a bunch of low info types blindly following the instructions in the Koran, but rather a deeply held belief system that is triibal in nature is, IMHO, right on the mark.

Unfortunately that belief system leads inevitably to a conflict with both the Christian and secular Western culture and our modern civilization. For Islam that equates to Jihad and war. For the West it doesn’t, not yet. That is why we are losing that war. Our ranks have been infiltrated at the highest levels of our society and our government. We cannot say the same about Islam.

Will we wake up and fight? I think so.
Will it be too late? Possibly.


8 posted on 10/21/2014 4:08:09 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (Remember Mississippi)
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To: Biggirl

Make that : Interesting article - thanks for posting.


9 posted on 10/21/2014 4:10:02 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (Remember Mississippi)
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To: mabarker1
like trying to instill ambition into a lazy person, ain't gonna happen...
10 posted on 10/21/2014 4:36:53 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Biggirl

You remove jihad from Islam you have no more Islam.


11 posted on 10/21/2014 4:53:58 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Biggirl

Radical Islam can only be defeated.

It can NOT be “reformed”.


12 posted on 10/21/2014 4:56:06 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Biggirl

You can’t reform Islam without reforming Satan. Fixed it.


13 posted on 10/21/2014 4:56:47 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: InterceptPoint

The only defense against tyranny is an armed citizenry.

Tyranny comes in many forms.


14 posted on 10/21/2014 4:58:46 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Biggirl
You can't "reform" Islam... but God can reform Muslims.
15 posted on 10/21/2014 5:01:07 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Reforming islam is like trying to reform cockroaches.


16 posted on 10/21/2014 5:10:08 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Texas isn't just a state. It's a state of mind!)
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To: Biggirl
There was an Islamic Renaissance in the 1400s especially in Spain under the Moors. Art and music flourished, Jews and Christians were tolerated and there was an important sharing of learning between east and west. This was the time of the Persian poet Omar Kayam, advances in medicine and science by Persian scholars and even depictions of the human form in art ( largely forbidden by Islam). This Renaisance was ended by Islamic fundamentalists who dragged Islam back to its tribal 6th century roots where it has remained.

Contrast this to the West where the Medival period ended and the Renaisance flourished. This lead to the Reformation and the Enlightenment where Christianity was shaken and new ideas prevailed. The very fabric of our nation founded on the notion of divinely given individual liberty is a product of the Enlightenment.

Islam however suppressed any ideas from its Renaissance and no Muslim Martin Luther would ever dare nail his theses to the mosque door as both would be contrary to the tribalism that holds Islam together. Islam cannot cope with the idea of a secular society. Only in Turkey did Attaturk succeed in creating a Muslim state were Islam was totally divorced from national society, but 80 years later that secular Islamist state is being dismantled by Isamic fundamentalists.

Perhaps the best example of where Islam leads nations is in the Gulf states where even with massive money from oil and on the surface the appearance of a modernity with skyscrapers and super highways, they remain backward tribal societies. Consider where these states would go without the oil money. They have developed nothing but the trappings of modernity and despite the wealth from oil no other industry or commerce has been built, there is little free enterprise and their society is repressive and stagnant. Their universities must borrow their scholarship from the west as individual thought is contrary to Islamic ideals. Without the oil money they would quickly become backward almost third world nations. Islamic societies can never shake off the tribalism.

17 posted on 10/21/2014 5:31:52 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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I hear that.

Yet we must exercise restraint -- and pin-point our aim -- while not making it out to be a religious war as much as possible -- 'cuz that is what the demons they are in thrall to want.

If we're not careful enough, we will end up always sooner than later like


18 posted on 10/21/2014 5:35:33 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: Biggirl

Islam can never be reformed - to attempt to do such a thing would be to contradict Mohammad, who said the final word of allah is supreme and can never be altered by man; anyone attempting to change it must be put to death.

A reform in Islam would be like someone changing the words in the Christian Bible and at the same time contradicting Christ. Christian reform was entirely different as it went against then current Church doctrine/dogma, not the words in the Bible, not against Christ’s teachings.

Many people do not know that the qu’ran was given in two parts. They are intermixed and so hard to tell apart. However, the second given half was affirmed by Mohammad as the final word of allah, and the first given half as superfluous and to be disregarded.

The first given half is mostly plagiarized from the Bible and the Torah. These passages hold the single reference in the entire qu’ran to love.

The second given half is an affirmation of Mohammad’s motto, “Kill. Kill. Kill.” It holds the passages dealing with death and murder of all non-believers.

Any putative reformation would have to throw out the second half, leaving only the first half. In which case, Islam would become a watered down version of the Old Testament with a smattering from the New Testament and Torah. What would be the point of remaining a muslim?

Of course, you can only learn this by reading the other four sacred Islamic books (Talibari, Muslim, Isaq and Bukhari) containing the hadiths and sunnahs (the life and sayings of Mohammad) - these are the guides to understanding what the passages in the qu’ran mean. There is no comparable guide in Christianity whose passages can be read for what they say and interpreted as one chooses. Islam is fixed and cannot be changed nor reinterpreted.


19 posted on 10/21/2014 6:54:05 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Got to remember WHO the real god the Muslims worship and IT IS NOT the same GOD of the Holy Bible.


20 posted on 10/21/2014 7:10:28 AM PDT by Biggirl
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