Key synod rpt calls for 'gradualism' in Church response to irregular family situations (Cath Cauc)

Catholic Culture ^ | October 13, 2014 | Diogenes

[NYer]

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Ping!

[miserare]

Ah, yes...”gradualism”, by all or any means.

Catholic frogs, meet pot of boiling water.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[Salvation]

Let your Bishop know how you feel.

Contact (FReep) your Bishop!

http://usccb.org/about/bishops-and-dioceses/all-dioceses.cfm

[SECURE AMERICA]

An interim report from the Synod of Bishops has called upon Catholic pastors to recognize the positive elements of all family situations, including those at odds with Church teaching.

So a family in which the husband beats and abuses the children is okay even though it goes against Church teaching.

[who_would_fardels_bear]

Up until very recently there was no such thing as gay "parents" bringing up children. Now there is such a thing.

The Church has to respond appropriately. It seems as if the Church is saying "love the sin, not the sinner". Be kind to them and welcome them, but don't ratify or validate their "family". There is no discussion about allowing them to receive Holy Communion. It looks like that decision will be put off, hopefully forever.

[ConorMacNessa]

"The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.

Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;

And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground."

Genesis 19:23-25

Any questions?


"Dia shábháil ar fad anseo!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Gradual acceptance of homosexuality?

Gradual acceptance of abortion?

Gradual acceptance of what?

[NYer]

Are you a catholic? This is a caucus thread.

[Innovative]

Articles/people quote from it — but it seems the full report is not easy to find.

For those who are interested, FULL REPORT (just below the article) at:

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/10/13/synod_on_family_midterm_report_presented,_2015_synod_announ/1108442

Read it and weep:

“Welcoming homosexual persons

Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community: are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities? Often they wish to encounter a Church that offers them a welcoming home. Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?

The question of homosexuality leads to a serious reflection on how to elaborate realistic paths of affective growth and human and evangelical maturity integrating the sexual dimension: it appears therefore as an important educative challenge. The Church furthermore affirms that unions between people of the same sex cannot be considered on the same footing as matrimony between man and woman. Nor is it acceptable that pressure be brought to bear on pastors or that international bodies make financial aid dependent on the introduction of regulations inspired by gender ideology.

Without denying the moral problems connected to homosexual unions it has to be noted that there are cases in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of the partners. Furthermore, the Church pays special attention to the children who live with couples of the same sex, emphasizing that the needs and rights of the little ones must always be given priority.”

[johniegrad]

From a pastoral perspective, pastoral mind you, what do you find in that posting that Is inconsistent with pastoral care of wounded people?

[Innovative]

“Welcoming homosexual persons

Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and VALUING their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?”

Do you consider this consistent with the Bible and teachings of the Church?

[Unam Sanctam]

“Gradualism” (particularly if it includes communion for those in mortal sin) and saying only nice things will in practice at least simply affirm people in their sin.

[johniegrad]

Explain what about it is not.

[Innovative]

Recommend you read the Bible to find out.

Many clear statements there.

[johniegrad]

Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and VALUING their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?”

Explain for me what is inconsistent with Catholic teaching about this statement.