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30,000 Protestant Denominations?
JustforCatholics-Evangelical and Evangelistic Ministry for Protestants ^ | Joe Mizzi, M.D. Reformed Baptist Church of Malta

Posted on 10/11/2014 8:36:27 AM PDT by Gamecock

Question: If one thing is clear, it's that there is one, single, visible Church that Jesus founded. This multitude of competing, conflicting denominations is no sign of God's work; therefore, it must be the work of the Evil One. Somewhere in the midst of these 30,000 denominations, there is one true church, and the rest are in sin and rebellion.

Answer: The "thousands-of-denominations" argument is very often employed to prove all sorts of things. Here are some citations from letters received from other Catholics:

How can all these denominations claim to follow the Bible yet all come to different conclusions? How can I possibly know which one of those above teach the truth when they can't even agree on what the Bible says? The Bible alone has created so much havoc in this world.

If there is only one Church, why are there so many Protestant denominations? Possibly many thousands throughout the world, as compared to only one Catholic Church? I do see it as a sign of God's judgment that there are close to 30,000 Protestant denominations.

The Bible alone can be dangerous. In fact, the Bible alone IS dangerous. Look at Protestantism: 100,000 different interpretation of the Bible, 100,000 contradictions, 100,000 different denominations claiming to have the key.

Peter said that no prophecy of the Scripture is for private interpretation. This is why you have 30,000 different Protestant denominations that all believe differently from one another. This alone should give you a clue that Protestantism is not the true Church of Jesus Christ.

So, the existence of many Protestant denominations supposedly proves that the Sola Scriptura  is dangerous, that we should not try to understand the Bible for ourselves, that the church of Rome is the one true church, and of course, all the other churches are false.

Elsewhere I have written on the significance of the heterogeneity among Christians. (See That They May Be One and Disagreement among Protestants). Here I simply want to make one important addition, namely, that the allegation so often repeated by Catholic apologists that there are 20,000 to 30,000 Protestant denominations is simply FALSE . . . not to mention the double standard employed, for the Roman Church is not exactly united. There are untold factions and divisions, and diverse understanding of doctrine within Catholic groups and by different Catholic theologians and individuals.

In an article entitled "30,000 Protestant Denominations?", Evangelical apologist Eric Svendsen exposes the falsehood of this fabrication. Briefly:



TOPICS: Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: ericsvendsen; romancatholicism; sectarianturmoil
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To: Gamecock

Jesus tells us the way. That works for me.


21 posted on 10/11/2014 9:31:58 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Gamecock
The Bible alone can be dangerous. In fact, the Bible alone IS dangerous.

Yep, got a whole lot of people tortured and murdered in direct violation of the Law of Love.

22 posted on 10/11/2014 9:32:37 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: Salvation
"Wrong. Take a look at true history! It is the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ on the Apostles, the first Bishops!"

Always a false argument that uses dates as a substitute for God's eternal plan.

The only Church, comprised of every single soul who has entrusted themselves by faith to Christ's finished sacrifice, was chosen in the heart of God in eternity and before time began. He has no grandchildren or great grandchildren. He has children, chosen, saved, pure, imbued with the righteousness of Christ, formed into His Body, formed as His Bride.

Denominational dates in history are a poor, poor substitute or Eternal Truth - declared by God in His inspired Word - nor do they matter in the slightest. It is in short, a world-bound argument that misses the truth.

"Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes."

Ephesians 1:4

23 posted on 10/11/2014 9:36:03 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: Gamecock

Question..
What if Jesus is the anti messiah or ‘in place of’or ‘instead of’ messiah, created by the greco roman latin world that counterfeits the Messiah of Israel, Joshua?

Answer.. it would explain 30,000 different denomination daughters birthed from the original counterfeit greco roman latin mother church.

And it may explain why Christendom cant see itself in mystery babylon...


24 posted on 10/11/2014 9:37:11 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: Salvation
Catholic 33 Jesus Christ

"Church of Christ" claims the same thing.

25 posted on 10/11/2014 9:45:00 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Lee N. Field
The Roman Catholic Church anathematized those that hold protestant positions at Trent.

Later documents softened that positioned.

My daughter-in-law became Catholic before she married my son. I helped to find a class for her and I contacted the parish close to her college. I told the priest that she was baptized Presbyterian and he said, "That is pretty close, yes her baptism would be accepted."

We all are much better off by looking at what we share and go from there than to purposely distance ourselves from others.

26 posted on 10/11/2014 9:45:19 AM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: Gamecock
Discussed here.

"recursion: n. See recursion."

27 posted on 10/11/2014 9:45:47 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Slyfox
We all are much better off by looking at what we share and go from there than to purposely distance ourselves from others.

Wisdom...increasingly rare on FR these days...

28 posted on 10/11/2014 9:48:55 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Campion
And how is it that all of those groups claim to follow the Bible *alone* to come to their conclusions?

Not alone.

Is the protestant position that difficult to understand?

29 posted on 10/11/2014 9:49:10 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("I don't care if there's a billion of you. You're in a cult.")
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To: Gamecock

What about those brave Unitarian and Christ the Scientist martyrs of the 3rd Century? Or the brilliant Dutch Reform and Foursquare Gospel theological scolars and their contribution to the early councils and synods? And where would we be without the military might of the Congregationalists?


30 posted on 10/11/2014 9:54:27 AM PDT by GreensKeeperWillie (Sancte Maria, mater Dei, ora pro nobis)
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To: boycott

The date prove otherwise. History doesn’t lie.


31 posted on 10/11/2014 10:01:15 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Lee N. Field

from the chart

United Church of Christ

1957

A union of different traditions


32 posted on 10/11/2014 10:01:52 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Slyfox
My daughter-in-law became Catholic before she married my son. I helped to find a class for her and I contacted the parish close to her college. I told the priest that she was baptized Presbyterian and he said, "That is pretty close, yes her baptism would be accepted."

My understanding is, with water in the name of the triune God, is sufficent.

We all are much better off by looking at what we share and go from there than to purposely distance ourselves from others.

Those who talk about "thirty thousand denominations" (or whatever the number pulled out of a dark place is this year) seem to be deliberately misunderstanding and misrepresenting protestant ecclesiology. See, for an example, the oft repeated chart Salvation reproduced above.

I, as a Presbyterian, don't think the Lutherans and the Baptists are not Christians and in a false church. The Catholic arguers do seem to think that.

33 posted on 10/11/2014 10:02:04 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("I don't care if there's a billion of you. You're in a cult.")
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To: Gamecock

Whether there are 30,000 denominations or 300 doesn’t change the basic point, i.e., that they can’t all be right, unless one accepts the idea that some variations in theology, worship, and organization are legitimate variations of the core Bible message. And then the argument becomes: which variations are legitimate, and which aren’t?


34 posted on 10/11/2014 10:10:24 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Lee N. Field
The Catholic arguers do seem to think that.

Well, they are just plain wrong.

A number of Protestant churches say the Apostle's Creed and all say the Our Father. Each Protestant denomination holds onto certain aspects that are also shared by Catholics. That is what we should be concentrating on.

We are separated for reasons only God knows.

It will be to His Glory when we all put away our differences.

Jesus would have it no other way.

35 posted on 10/11/2014 10:11:05 AM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: Lee N. Field
"I, as a Presbyterian, don't think the Lutherans and the Baptists are not Christians and in a false church. The Catholic arguers do seem to think that."

There are protestants who disagree with you, and claim that Catholicism is not Christian. Some even go further than that, and claim that Catholicism is the anti-Christ or some such epithet.
36 posted on 10/11/2014 10:13:02 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Salvation
History doesn’t lie.

Ah, but history can lie. Muslims and leftists revise history all the time. Big, powerful, autocratic religious systems can do that, and have.  Witness how for many centuries the Donation of Constantine was believed and used to leverage added temporal powers for the Holy Roman Empire, before it was found to be a forgery. That kind of exposure of falsehood is what happens when real historians dig down to the bare-bones primary sources, occasionally finding the history we thought was true to be mostly wishful thinking. Peter Lampe's work, From Paul to Valentinus, is just such a work, and in it he reveals, from the un-lying history of primary sources, that there was no unified, monarchical Roman See for approximately the first 160 years of Christianity.

See: http://www.amazon.com/From-Paul-Valentinus-Christians-Centuries/dp/0800627024/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1413047689&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=From+Paul+to+Valentinius

So the claim that Catholicism came later (meaning it is essentially schismatic) is well grounded in history.  In the beginning, we were all just Christians.  Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could get back to that?

Peace,

SR
37 posted on 10/11/2014 10:29:49 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Salvation

The problem with your chart, with “Catholic” first on your list, is you and your fellow Romanists think ROMAN Catholic when they read “Catholic,” the totalitarian system that arose to prominence claiming primacy over Christian churches of the Roman empire around the time of Leo, some 500 years AFTER the original Apostolic church.

The original Catholic church in the Bible, and the paganized totalitarian Roman Catholic system bear no resemblance to each other.


38 posted on 10/11/2014 10:43:16 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

“The original Catholic church in the Bible, and the paganized totalitarian Roman Catholic system bear no resemblance to each other”.

Blah, blah, blah. Can you come up with anything original.


39 posted on 10/11/2014 10:46:58 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Gamecock

I don’t believe any denomination or person has it 100% correct... we are all sinful imperfect vessels and should humbly approach the Lord’s thrown and rejoice in his grace. We should take a humble attitude and a servant heart with each other and not boast for our ideology or denomination. We are brothers and sister in Christ let that be enough.


40 posted on 10/11/2014 10:57:28 AM PDT by pithyinme (Oh great 2 more years of crap to wade through....)
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