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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Some people don't even realize that they're name-calling.

I know.

But I've yet to see where pointing that out to Catholics has made them realize they are the non-publican in the room.

381 posted on 10/05/2014 1:55:18 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998

What is taught in Matthew that the apostles didn’t teach?


382 posted on 10/05/2014 1:57:48 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.


383 posted on 10/05/2014 2:00:00 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: metmom
>>For Catholics tradition trumps Scripture.<<

But they can't even prove today's "traditions" are the same traditions the apostles were talking about.

384 posted on 10/05/2014 2:07:33 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: narses

That’s what Matthew teaches that the apostles didn’t teach??? Are you sure? You may want to ask the guy who wears the same type of hat the priests to the fish god dagon wore.


385 posted on 10/05/2014 2:11:05 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

386 posted on 10/05/2014 2:20:18 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Rides_A_Red_Horse

Doesn’t the Roman Catholic church teach those who die in mortal sin cannot benefit from purgatory but go straight to hell?


387 posted on 10/05/2014 2:26:08 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: narses

I know but we keep putting God’s word in front of Catholics anyway because their are those who read these threads that God might be trying to reach.


388 posted on 10/05/2014 2:28:25 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: NKP_Vet; metmom; caww; CynicalBear; Elsie

I said - “I wish you would hold at least half the reverence for Jesus that you have for the Catholic Church.”

You replied - “Without the Catholic Church, FOUNDED by Christ, you would have idea who Christ is. You will still be praying to the sun gods.”


In your response you placed the Catholic Church first. You ought to put Jesus first.

Where you keep what you treasure is where your heart lies. Where is your heart, NKP_Vet?


389 posted on 10/05/2014 2:40:26 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Elsie

“Nothing in Scripture condemns the Protestants or the Protestant faith.”

False. Sola fide is the main doctrine of Protestantism. This is rejected in James 2:24.

“For a Catholic to say so is simply to make something up and claim it’s their football.”

No, it’s in James 2:24.


390 posted on 10/05/2014 2:47:37 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: boatbums; CynicalBear

Thank you for settling the matter of prot integrity. CB was correct, in this case, about actions, or rather inactions speaking louder than words.


391 posted on 10/05/2014 2:47:43 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: CynicalBear

“What is taught in Matthew that the apostles didn’t teach?”

Where did the Apostles teach that the Gospel of Matthew is inspired?


392 posted on 10/05/2014 2:48:28 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: narses; boatbums; metmom; caww; CynicalBear

Were you ever taught that Mary was God or even god? Were you ever taught that she was divine? Were you ever taught that she was due worship or taught to worship her?


Let’s see...

“Co-redemtrix,” “Queen of Heaven,” “Mother of God,” “Mother of us all...”

I’ve seen long precessions of male and female children march to her statue and stand while the priest crowns the head of the statue with flowers.

I’ve heard prayers pleading for “her blessings.”

Yeah, that pretty much covers giving Mary a deity status near or equal to Jesus and receiving worship.

Which silly picture do I get this time? Can I please have my bear on a unicycle? I’ll settle for a bear on a scooter.


393 posted on 10/05/2014 2:52:18 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: boatbums
Actually you are the only one presuming: Exactly! We already know the question was asked dishonestly because if we said, yes, we would be called liars or “poorly catechized”. If we answered no, we would be told, “See, we don’t, case closed!”. Some Catholics show a surprising lack of integrity and it comes out in how they speak to others.

You presumed to know that my response would be to your answer.

The fact that neither of you chose to give a legitimate answer to simple yes or no questions speaks volumes.

394 posted on 10/05/2014 2:55:16 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: boatbums
I don't feel badly at all throwing your errors back at you. Do you understand that when Jesus said, "It is finished.", he was speaking of making complete propitiation for the sins of the world?

Before saying ridiculous things like this you need to poll the rest of the prot posse. Because that is word for word what they have said previously.

395 posted on 10/05/2014 2:57:38 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: boatbums
Do you understand that when Jesus said, “It is finished.”, he was speaking of making complete propitiation for the sins of the world? It is because he kept the law perfectly that he can be the sinless sacrifice for our sins and HIS righteousness is imputed to us, rather than having to stand on our own (which would condemn us for eternity).

This means you aren't required to report to a celestial torture chamber to have red hot pokers jammed up your wazoo for several thousand years. Your sin is forgiven and you may enter directly into HIS presence.

396 posted on 10/05/2014 2:57:49 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: boatbums
We have ALL the New Testament books in Hebrew today as translations but there is no concrete evidence that they were originally written in that language. Jews in Palestine spoke Koine Greek because it was the common tongue (lingua franca) at that time. For two hundred years before Christ was born, the Old Testament had already been translated in Greek especially for that reason.

Congratulations on getting something right and engaging in fraternal correction.

397 posted on 10/05/2014 3:00:32 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: ronnietherocket3; metmom; CynicalBear; caww; Elsie

Purgatory is penalty for sins committed on Earth but not sins for which penance has been done. The point of Purgatory is not forgiveness, but purification.


Why do you doubt God? With His sacrifice, even the Gentiles were purified!

Acts 10:9-15

About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

“Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”


398 posted on 10/05/2014 3:03:49 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: vladimir998
Matthew quotes from the Old Testament more than any of the other three gospel writers. He records Jesus genealogy accurately. He records Jesus words substantiated in the other gospels. Matthew was an apostle and as such was given this promise that only the twel e were given.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

I'll take Jesus word that the Holy Spirit brought to his remembrance what He wrote.

399 posted on 10/05/2014 3:06:03 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: boatbums; verga; metmom; CynicalBear; caww

Forgiveness of our sins and consequences for our actions are two different things. It is because of God’s mercy that we are not consumed.


Exactly!

So...why won’t the Catholics see the light and realize God won’t make them spend thousands of years in torture to “purge” them of their sins?


400 posted on 10/05/2014 3:07:33 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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