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To: FourtySeven

See #247 for starters. And that's only the tip of the iceberg.

But you may be partially correct, for though such ways of thinking were once prevalent within the wider, catholic thus universal Church, in the Western Church (entirely dominated by the Church of Rome) prior to the Reformation that tradition had been superseded by sola ecclesia (whatever we say) by those of the Church of Rome.

Like a monkey with an arm in jar having a narrow opening, and it's paw around a nut it is convinced it just has to have -- the RCC is still captured by it's own desires to be the place having the bishop of bishops and supremacy over and above Scripture when the scriptures are inconvenient to the desire.

306 posted on 09/28/2014 8:41:45 AM PDT by BlueDragon (Oh ..I know I ...lived this life afore... somehow.. I know now ...truths I must be sure)
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To: BlueDragon

” [Scripture is the] measure of every tenet; we necessarily fix our eyes upon that, and approve that alone which may be made to harmonize with the intent”

That’s not contrary to Catholic (Church) teaching. In fact that’s what is taught by the Church (that no teaching can violate Scripture, which is essentially what that phrase quoted above says)

On top of all that, the phrase quoted above is not the same thing as saying, “Scripture is the only source of truth and morals”, which despite protestations to the contrary (no pun intended) “sola scriptura” reduces to just that in practice: “show me that in the Bible, or else it’s not true”.

That IS sola scriptura in PRACTICE, even though (I am well aware of the following fact I can assure you), that’s not the formal definition of sola scriptura.


307 posted on 09/28/2014 8:54:21 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: BlueDragon
...”Like a monkey with an arm in jar having a narrow opening, and it's paw around a nut... it is convinced it just has to have .... the RCC is still captured by it's own desires to be the place having the bishop of bishops and supremacy over and above Scripture, when the scriptures are inconvenient to the desire.”......

That's a neat way of putting it Bluedragon....but admittedly I've found myself doing that on occasion when I want so much to believe something,... placing ‘my own desire’ front and center I search the scripture looking for anything to justify it. It's not long at all before God asks basically...”What are you looking for?”.... Which makes me stop and ask for his take on the matter.

You do have to desire to know what He wants you to know...the truth...and He does know if you desire His truth over your own desires when you approach Him and His word

373 posted on 09/28/2014 12:18:21 PM PDT by caww
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