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To: BlueDragon

” [Scripture is the] measure of every tenet; we necessarily fix our eyes upon that, and approve that alone which may be made to harmonize with the intent”

That’s not contrary to Catholic (Church) teaching. In fact that’s what is taught by the Church (that no teaching can violate Scripture, which is essentially what that phrase quoted above says)

On top of all that, the phrase quoted above is not the same thing as saying, “Scripture is the only source of truth and morals”, which despite protestations to the contrary (no pun intended) “sola scriptura” reduces to just that in practice: “show me that in the Bible, or else it’s not true”.

That IS sola scriptura in PRACTICE, even though (I am well aware of the following fact I can assure you), that’s not the formal definition of sola scriptura.


307 posted on 09/28/2014 8:54:21 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven
Since it is not the formal definition, then it is doubtful it is the practice at all the times and locations it would need to be --- in order to keep the 'ol eyes slammed shut against the weight of scriptural evidence and earliest Church tradition also (concerning how scriptures were understood and then applied) which refute the claims the Church of Rome makes for it's own "pope" and self-reverentially titled "magesterium".

As has been clearly established (by documentary evidence supported by reasoned analysis which puts a stop to the shallow Romish 'spin' of such things) in perhaps thousands of ways --- there is no "universal consent of the fathers" when it comes to the claims of the Church of Rome for it's own singular grandeur and "authority".

Which means one simply must return to the texts -- then go from there.

Doing so can allow one examining history to better see where the true novelties were introduced.

What can be more difficult to separate out are the slight changes made between the development & establishment of one way of thinking/writing about an issue (or many) and the yet further assumptions based on those --- resulting in theology itself being based upon commentaries and derivative opinions -- even turns of phrase (not found in the scriptures) themselves being seized upon as if the scripture.

After a while one needs to look back to what was more originally most widely preached, understood and accepted -- then honestly compare that to the here and now.

What happens when we do this?

"Papacy" goes right out the window --- including any "authority" that may be claimed which empowers any "pope" and allied "magesterium" to say even to ANYONE

It is forbidden to any man to change this, Our declaration, pronouncement, and definition or, by rash attempt, to oppose and counter it. If any man should presume to make such an attempt, let him know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul

311 posted on 09/28/2014 9:39:36 AM PDT by BlueDragon (Oh ..I know I ...lived this life afore... somehow.. I know now ...truths I must be sure)
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To: FourtySeven
.....”that’s what is taught by the Church....that no teaching can violate Scripture”.....

Good...then those things catholics are taught by Rome, which are contrary to God's Word, you are free to abstain from if you choose to do so..correct?

377 posted on 09/28/2014 12:24:35 PM PDT by caww
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To: FourtySeven; BlueDragon
That IS sola scriptura in PRACTICE, even though (I am well aware of the following fact I can assure you), that’s not the formal definition of sola scriptura.

You mean like with the formal Roman Catholic denial of "Catholics don't worship Mary", but, in PRACTICE, many DO?

The doctrine of sola Scriptura is that the Scriptures, as the sole Divinely-inspired resource we have, must be the basis for all claims of binding Christian truth. When someone asserts all Christians MUST believe XYZ, XYZ must be proved by God's word. This is an ancient principle going back thousands of years BEFORE Christianity even started. Isaiah the Prophet, for example, said:

    And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God for the living to the dead? To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isa. 8:19-20)

686 posted on 09/28/2014 8:08:13 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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