THE ASSUMPTION OF MARY: Condemned as Heretical by 2 Popes in the 5th and 6th Centuries

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[Elsie]

Do what?

“they (we) use the Bible...”

...incorrectly, to propagate error.

Which is NEVER pointed out.

Rome uses the CC to propagate IT's agenda.

[Elsie]

That’s why I distrust a person’s motives when they say things that diverge wildly from the truth.

Now you know how Prots feel when ROME spouts all kinds of things that are UNSUPPORTED by Scripture.

[Elsie]

The Jewish man said, “Only through divine intervention could the Church survive the depredations of such corrupt men.”

You catholics sure love your little stories; don't you...

The BOOK says...

Matthew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.'"

[Elsie]

I came across a poem about Cowboy churches.

I just LOVE cowboy poetry!!!

---

Cowboy Poetry

by Bill Jones

 

 

 

Jake, the rancher, went one day
to fix a distant fence.
The wind was cold and gusty
and the clouds rolled gray and dense.

As he pounded the last staples in
and gathered tools to go,
The temperature had fallen,
the wind and snow began to blow.

When he finally reached his pickup,
he felt a heavy heart.
From the sound of that ignition,
he knew it wouldn't start.

So Jake did what most of us
would do if we had been there.
He humbly bowed his balding head
and sent aloft a prayer.

As he turned the key for the last time,
he softly cursed his luck.
They found him three days later,
frozen stiff in that old truck.

Now Jake had been around in life
and done his share of roaming.
But when he saw Heaven, he was shocked --
it looked just like Wyoming!

Of all the saints in Heaven,
his favorite was St. Peter.
(Now, this line ain't needed
but it helps with rhyme and meter)

So they set and talked a minute or two,
or maybe it was three.
Nobody was keeping' score --
in Heaven time is free.

"I've always heard," Jake said to Pete,
"that God will answer prayer,
But one time I asked for help,
well, he just plain wasn't there."

"Does God answer prayers of some,
and ignore the prayers of others?
That don't seem exactly square --
I know all men are brothers."

"Or does he randomly reply,
without good rhyme or reason?
Maybe, it's the time of day,
the weather or the season."

"Now I ain't trying to act smart,
it's just the way I feel.
And I was wondering', could you tell me --
what the heck's the deal?!"

Peter listened very patiently
and when Jake was done,
There were smiles of recognition,
and he said, "So, you're the one!!"

"That day your truck, it wouldn't start,
and you sent your prayer a flying,
You gave us all a real bad time,
with hundreds of us trying."

"A thousand angels rushed,
to check the status of your file,
But you know, Jake, we hadn't heard
from you in quite a long while."

"And though all prayers are answered,
and God ain't got no quota,
He didn't recognize your voice,
and started a truck in Minnesota."

[caww]

<<......”If there was indeed a bodily Assumption of Mary — WOW — why didn’t anyone other than Gnostics and heretics talk about it until CENTURIES after is presumed to have occurred? Stop right there and consider that question...”>>

That is most significant Imo....it just seems along the way RC leadership kept ‘adding’ whatever ‘pillars’ they could create beneath ‘their desire’ to have a female goddess which would draw the pagans, early on, and ultimately any in the future with a desire for a relationship with a female deity.
We see evidence of this in posts here where there is a clear ‘inordinate affection’ for catholicism’s mary....also seen in prayers to her, which rather than take on a worshipful tone rather seem more of a romantic tone.

[caww]

.....”Does God answer prayers of some,
and ignore the prayers of others?”....

Yes.

[caww]

...” Jesus, “Our Doorman.”.....

You appear to give a lot of attention and affection toward a relics and idols of mary...and yet here you call Jesus your “Doorman”.

[Syncro]

I’ll pray for you

[caww]

Thank you for that list of catholics professing clearly that the Rock is Jesus Christ...not the church.

It would appear then that catholics have difficulty determining who says what and with that who would be really telling them the truth to believe....

I guess then it would be determined rather like our political machine moves here...they vote among their magesterium (congress) but the Pres. (Pope) can override that....of course the next Pres.(Pope) can change it yet again...or put it through a new congress (magesterium) after there’ a change in those sitting positions.

[Elsie]

For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Malachi 3:6

[mlizzy]

* So Jesus said again, “Amen, amen, I say to you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 * All who came [before me] are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9 I am the gate. Whoever enters through me will be saved, and will come in and go out and find pasture. 10 A thief comes only to steal and slaughter and destroy; I came so that they might have life and have it more abundantly.

https://oneyeardevotional.wordpress.com/tag/doorman/

[editor-surveyor]

Historian is a high-falutin title for a common propagandist.

All historians have an axe to grind or they wouldn’t waste the time to write.

I can see that believing his tendentious hand waving would make your life a more comfey place, but to go counter to the Rabbinical Scribes tradition of recording precise history would be a foolhardy adventure.

Millions were slaughtered by the Roman “church” for the obedient keeping of Yehova’s commandments, over a period of more than 1000 years. It is recorded, in the same manner that the words of Yehova’s prophets were recorded.

Keeping his commandments is the very essence of “following” and believing in Yeshua.

This is what the catholic ‘church’ was invented to prevent, and the same for her ‘daughters’ in many so-called “protestant” churches.
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[MamaB]

Love it. Thanks. Have you read the one about Wyoming and the weather there? Will see if I saved it somewhere. Think I saw it on Facebook.

[roamer_1]

The fundamentalist tradition is basically anti-intellectual.

No, an intellectual view would require proofs and veracity of evidence. If there is anything on earth that is anti-intellectual, it would be the Roman church.

The very methods the early Church fathers used to select which books should be discarded and which ones included and who argued and prevailed against the early heresies were done by deep and painstaking historical inquiry, theological debates, oral tradition, and ritual, all guided by the Holy Spirit. The set of books in the Bible did not fall from the skies.

The very same painstaking inquiry went into the Protestant canon, which, as time has gone by, has become more defensible than the canon of the Roman church.

The Petrine authority did not suddenly come to a screeching halt.

That assumes an authority not in evidence.

Thus if we you do not accept these same sources of theological inquiry [...]

I will happily do so - All you have to do is PROVE it's veracity... Which you cannot. Especially in this day... It is akin to stubbornly insisting that Columbus discovered the Americas - That tradition, like your own, has no basis in fact, and the evidence available denies it ANY veracity at all.

Well actually, each of the 35, 000 sects by offering a different interpretation have indeed put out as many versions of the Bible.

LOL! Maybe if you keep using that number (already disproved time and again)...

Some have gone out of business like the Dutch Reformed Church.

The Dutch Reformed is not out of business - In the Netherlands it merged with several others to become something new (The Protestant Church of the Netherlands), which btw, has already grown a fork returning to Reformed orthodoxy, but it is still very strong in Africa and America.

This is precisely the Biblical anarchy that follows a denial of Petrine authority.

Again, assumes a fact not in evidence.

Very soon every street corner has it Foursquare Church, AME, First Chapel; First Calvary: First Baptist; First Methodist, Reformed this, Reformed that..etc etc with each of these self appointed pastors playing street theologians waving passage of “their” Bible interpretations to Opray Winfrey-type congregations like Joel Osteen and his “prosperity” gospel or Rick Warren and his circus-like born again (and again and again) baptisms.

So what? At least Protestants have a means to retain orthodoxy - An orthodox Presbyterian knows better than to go to Presbyterian USA and will find refuge in Presbyterian PCA or OPC, while PCUSA is dying on the vine. The monolithic Roman church has all of the same, from extreme liberalism all the way to extreme orthodoxy, all under one roof, claiming to be 'the same thing'. That is *not* a feature.

This is the tomfoolery theology of street theologians not unlike Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Baloney.

The Catholic Credo is for all times, in all places, across all continents, the one truth of Christ never changes studied by students of theology in universities across the world embracing into its fold such intellectual giants like John Henry Newman or even America’s foremost Lutheran scholar and author, the late Richard Newhaus or Francis J. Beckwith [...]

LOL!

[...]with a Catholic calendar for all to observe on the dates for Christmas, Good Friday, Easter Sunday based on early historical research and religious tradition.

Yes, another 'historical research' which has been roundly disproved. Everyone knows Christmas is not Yeshua's birthday. Good Friday is equally false, as is Easter, ALL unsanctioned by YHWH by the way, and all tied by rite and date to paganism. Try again.

[MamaB]

This happened a few hours go. Some wood fell on my foot and I had to go to the dr. When they checked my BP, it was 180/95 which is very, very high for me. She made me lie down for a few minutes to see if it would go down. The whole time I was praying, “God, I need your help about this.” When the nurse came back to check it, it was normal! Thank you God. Did not need a go between.

[roamer_1]

tinnitus

Have y'all tried any homeopathic or naturopathic remedies? Mash Here.

I have had this mildly, as part of my condition is inflammatory arthritis (so mine was likely an inflammatory issue) - Pineapple in quantity eaten regularly helped me, As did the salt/glycerin nasal spray.

[caww]

Nice try , but you would do well to read the verse given as you presented it...

“All who came (before me) are thieves and robbers”..... so putting anyone, such as Mary , before Jesus would be considered a thief and robber...correct?

You stated further that Jesus said...”Whoever enters through ME will be saved”.....so you agree with Jesus that it is through Him we are saved and not through mary?

[BlueDragon]

millions?

that seems bit of a far stretch.

[MamaB]

Winter in Wyoming

It’s winter in Wyoming,
And the gentle breezes blow,
Seventy miles an hour,
At twenty five below,
Oh, how I love Wyoming,
When the snow’s up to my butt,
You take a breath of winter,
And my nose gets frozen shut,
Yes, the weather here is wonderful,
So I guess I’ll hang around
I could never leave Wyoming
Cause, I’’m frozen to the ground.

It made me think of some westerns I have read. WY is a beautiful state. I would love to go back.

[metmom]

Fine, but please don’t refer to Christ as an “itinerant preacher.” It conjures images of anyone with white robe, bare feet, long hair and beard, like Indian shamans going about preaching their “own” interpretations of Scripture adding to Biblical anarchy.

And just how do you think Jesus looked in those days?

White robe? Maybe not white, but a robe.

Long hair? Check.

Bread? Check.

Bare feet? Very possibly.

Going about preaching HIS own interpretation of Scripture. Yup. because what He was preaching was not what the religious leaders of the day were preaching.

He corrected them all the time.

The “Second Great Awakening” was an American version of this. We have a disparate assortment of individuals with no common credo at the forefront of a movement that mixed a Protestant reformation ideal with political issues like seeking temperance reforms and abolitionists who strived for the downfall of slavery.

And the problems with that were what exactly?

Do you have problems with people overcoming alcoholism and abolishing slavery? You're really criticizing them for it?

Groups like Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses all had this “itinerant” moment such as Brigham Young’s wagon trail.

So what? Whenever there's a move of God, Satan will ALWAYS some in and try to capitalize on it, often mimicking it to try to deceive people.

That doesn't invalidate the original move of God and the work He's done in the lives of people in it.

Petrine authority is not given to anyone and everyone to go teach anything and everything.

And we don't need Rome's permission to fulfill the command that Jesus gave us to go into all the world and preach the gospel.

Christ singled out one person Peter upon whom He founded His One Church, and solemnly bestows on Peter and His successors One authority to instruct in One truth. For those of us who believe in Petrine authority based on reason and faith, on oral and written traditions, on ritual and practice, and on divine revelation, (all such factors that went into the early Church fathers who sorted the books we call the Bible), apart from Catholicism, the rest is all apostasy.

No He didn't because Peter *petros* is not the rock *petra* on which Christ's church is built.

For the rest of us, we take Jesus' command to share the gospel seriously and do it ourselves and we don't need anyone's permission to do it, nor do we abdicate our responsibility and foist it off onto someone else.