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Nothing Between My Soul and the Savior! Really? Help us, Lord!
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 9/11/2014 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 09/12/2014 1:46:23 AM PDT by markomalley

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1 posted on 09/12/2014 1:46:23 AM PDT by markomalley
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2 posted on 09/12/2014 1:46:45 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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3 posted on 09/12/2014 2:07:09 AM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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I’ve often thought that there’s a very fine line between perfect detachment and despair. When you surrender everything, Jesus is there, they promise ... but what if he isn’t? What if there’s just living death until there’s dead death?


4 posted on 09/12/2014 3:26:50 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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5 posted on 09/12/2014 3:44:39 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: markomalley; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...
In my parish, we occasionally sing a hymn that says, “I surrender all, all to Jesus I surrender, I surrender all.” Sometimes I wink at the end of the song and say, “liars!” And we all laugh because we know we barely surrender half. But one day the Lord will get us there!

This, and the other admissions, are honest but really excuse lying, as indeed we are lying, and i have, when singing words of such hymns that are not a reality with us to varying degrees. Even if those who wrote them were testifying to an overall reality using some degree of poetic license, yet i think this is so far from reality in many souls and in many churches that it makes a mockery of speaking the truth in our heart.

And I often wonder what matter of conscience some writers of modern songs have in the light of their claims for themselves.

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. (Matthew 12:36)

Let all that is within me cry glory. "Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name." (Psalms 103:1)

Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing :

3. O to grace how great a debtor Daily I'm constrained to be! Let that grace now like a fetter, Bind my wandering heart to Thee. Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it, Prone to leave the God I love; Here's my heart, O take and seal it, Seal it for Thy courts above.

This description of the heart of the regenerate (by an old Anglican: J. C. RYLE - 1816-1900) is quite good. ARE YOU BORN AGAIN?

6 posted on 09/12/2014 4:19:34 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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I am -— in my more awake moments -— aware that I am betting my life on this.


7 posted on 09/12/2014 4:54:49 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (To the hard of hearing you shout, and for the almost-blind you draw large and startling figures..)
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To: markomalley

There is a difference between lying and declaring by faith.


8 posted on 09/12/2014 5:14:41 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Tax-chick
Does detachment cause despair? Or does despair cause detachment? I don't know. I think it is our human condition to try and solve everything ourselves.

Even after crashing into the same wall over and over again and we finally decide to call Jesus in, then we stomp our little foots and want the answer now!

When I was single the answer was clear. Retreat, even if it was just turning everything off and spending the weekend at home with Jesus. Now being married, having animals and for you all kids, grand kids, we all have jobs and or projects. It seems harder to just get with God. Where I can really hear him. Used to not be so hard. So is it me or him? 99.9% sure it's me!

I long for the days that I heard him more clearly, when I think back things were easier then. Was it because I had less complications or because I let him carry the ball?

9 posted on 09/12/2014 5:57:20 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: defconw
DETACHMENT is what the eastern religions aim for.
To me, that is NOT the Christian or Western way. Jesus taught us to be our brother's keeper. That is the antithesis of detachment.
10 posted on 09/12/2014 6:57:50 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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Cloudmountain, I think "detachment" can be understood in several differenct senses, and one must distinguish one from the other. On the one had, Jesus said (Luke 14:26-27):

"Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple. Whoever does not carry the cross and follow me cannot be my disciple."

He didn't mean literally "hate" (in the sense of "hostility and loathing) or even "ignore" or "be indifferent to," but He did mean that one should prefer the way of Christ to all things, even prefer it to this life itself.

If one had to choose between Christ and one's father's or mother's wishes, or one's spouse's or childrens' wishes, or the clear demands of our own "reasonable" self-interest --- we should go with Christ and leave the rest behind.

So I would say "detachment" in the sense of a cold, hands-off attitude toward all things, is bad; but "detachment" in the sense of putting Christ, always, radically first, is good.

Does that make sense?

How much we want to smooth the edges off of this one! It is indeed a hard saying. One of the hardest!

11 posted on 09/12/2014 7:23:02 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (To the hard of hearing you shout, and for the almost-blind you draw large and startling figures..)
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I’m not tempted by any of the usual run of false god - money, pleasure, fame - but I’m considering some of the classics to see if they have a better deal. Athena, now ... the study, the arts and crafts, the occasional armed mayhem ... I just read the Odyssey again ;-) ... but Athena isn’t very patient.

Odin, on the other hand ... wouldn’t he have a gold ring and a barmaid job for the mother of Anoreth and her pack of berserker brothers?

Surely there’s something out there other than complete failure.


12 posted on 09/12/2014 7:23:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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"...the mother of Anoreth and her pack of berserker brothers"

A memorable phrase.

Have you read Kristin Lavransdatter? Seriously.

13 posted on 09/12/2014 7:49:39 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (To the hard of hearing you shout, and for the almost-blind you draw large and startling figures..)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
A memorable phrase.

They can put it on a runestone when I die.

Have you read Kristin Lavransdatter?

No, never got around to it. Back in the day (the 80s) when I was hanging around with Vikings, I was put off by the very small print. Maybe I could read it now that I have my bifocals. Or maybe the library has a recorded book.

14 posted on 09/12/2014 8:02:28 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I see where you are coming from and that is what I was thinking. I think how often I could pray intead of play for instance.


15 posted on 09/12/2014 8:02:42 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: cloudmountain
I didn't/don't see detachment that way. I think of detachment as getting rid of this world for Christ, but it's a state I can not be constantly in as I have human responsibilities.

In other words I think I need to work on my interior life with Jesus, if that makes sense.

Despair I think comes from not working on your interior life. That inner dialog, yes dialog with Christ. As a priest told me, when you are so busy talking to him, he does not have time to answer.

16 posted on 09/12/2014 8:09:26 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Certain offspring are getting a little too enthusiastic about the sacrifice thing already. *sigh*

Anyway, Asuncion would be disappointed in me.


17 posted on 09/12/2014 8:18:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: defconw
Despair I think comes from not working on your interior life.

Maybe ... or from working on it and not getting anywhere but more failure.

18 posted on 09/12/2014 8:20:04 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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19 posted on 09/12/2014 8:22:51 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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I could use it.


20 posted on 09/12/2014 8:27:26 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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