Posted on 09/03/2014 6:36:07 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
A little six-year-old Protestant boy had often heard his Catholic companions reciting the prayer “Hail Mary.” He liked it so much that he copied it, memorized it and would recite it every day. “Look, Mommy, what a beautiful prayer,” he said to his mother one day.
“Never again say it,” answered the mother. “It is a superstitious prayer of Catholics who adore idols and think Mary a goddess. After all, she is a woman like any other. Come on, take this Bible and read it. It contains everything that we are bound to do and have to do.” From that day on the little boy discontinued his daily “Hail Mary” and gave himself more time to reading the Bible instead. One day, while reading the Gospel, he came across the passage about the Annunciation of the Angel to Our Lady. Full of joy, the little boy ran to his mother and said: “Mommy, I have found the ‘Hail Mary’ in the Bible which says: ‘Hail full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women.’ Why do you call it a superstitious prayer?”
On another occasion he found that beautiful Salutation of St. Elizabeth to the Virgin Mary and the wonderful canticle MAGNIFICAT in which Mary foretold that “the generations would call her blessed.” He said no more about it to his mother but started to recite the “Hail Mary” every day as before. He felt pleasure in addressing those charming words to the Mother of Jesus, our Savior.
When he was fourteen, he one day heard a discussion on Our Lady among the members of his family. Every one said that Mary was a common woman like any other woman. The boy, after listening to their erroneous reasoning could not bear it any longer, and full of indignation, he interrupted them, saying:
“Mary is not like any other children of Adam, stained with sin. No! The Angel called her FULL OF GRACE AND BLESSED AMONGST WOMEN. Mary is the Mother of Jesus Christ and consequently Mother of God. There is no higher dignity to which a creature can be raised. The Gospel says that the generations will proclaim her blessed and you are trying to despise her and look down on her. Your spirit is not the spirit of the Gospel or of the Bible which you proclaim to be the foundation of the Christian religion.”
So deep was the impression which the boy’s talk had made that his mother many times cried out sorrowfully: “Oh my God! I fear that this son of mine will one day join the Catholic religion, the religion of Popes!” And indeed, not very long afterwards, having made a serious study of both Protestantism and Catholicism, the boy found the latter to be the only true religion and embraced it and became one of its most ardent apostles.
Some time after his conversion, he met his married sister who rebuked him and said indignantly: “You little know how much I love my children. Should any one of them desire to become a Catholic, I would sooner pierce his heart with a dagger than allow him to embrace the religion of the Popes!”
Her anger and temper were as furious as those of St. Paul before his conversion. However, she would change her ways, just as St. Paul did on his way to Damascus. It so happened that one of her sons fell dangerously ill and the doctors gave up hope of recovery. Her brother then approached her and spoke to her affectionately, saying: “My dear sister, you naturally wish to have your child cured. Very well, then, do what I ask you to do. Follow me, let us pray one ‘Hail Mary’ and promise God that, if your son recovers his health, you would seriously study the Catholic doctrine, and should you come to the conclusion that Catholicism is the only true religion, you would embrace it no matter what the sacrifices may be.”
His sister was somewhat reluctant at the beginning, but as she wished for her son’s recovery, she accepted her brother’s proposal and recited the “Hail Mary” together with him. The next day her son was completely cured. The mother fulfilled her promise and she studied the Catholic doctrine. After long preparation she received Baptism together with her whole family, thanking her brother for being an apostle to her.
The story was related during a sermon given by the Rev. Fr. Tuckwell. “Brethren,” he went on and said, “the boy who became a Catholic and converted his sister to Catholicism dedicated his whole life to the service of God. He is the priest who is speaking to you now! What I am I owe to Our Lady. You, too, my dear brethren, be entirely dedicated also to Our Lady and never let a day pass without saying the beautiful prayer, ‘Hail Mary’, and your Rosary. Ask her to enlighten the minds of Protestants who are separated from the true Church of Christ founded on the Rock (Peter) and ‘against whom the gates of hell shall never prevail.’”
It would be more credible if a source or indication was provided for "guidelines for flaming," AKA "Dilbert rules for internet debating" rather than as if it were original: http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/welcome-to-the-bull-ring-discussions-and-call-outs-forum.275698/page-4#post-6777394
But what else is new.
the Lord’s Prayer - that is the only prayer you say?
that is a fairly limited prayer list even for a protestant.
For a Catholic there are at least seven prayer types that I am aware:
Adoration,
Contrition,
Thanksgiving,
Supplication,
Meditation,
Contemplation,
Lectio Divinia.
For the Greater Glory of God
I am serious. But at least we've moved the conversation in the proper direction. The issue to be addressed is what the Muslim claims. Hence the necessity of CCC 841. So substitute the word profess for claims.
But the evidence shows that are usually a substitute for a valid argument, despite your professed learning.
Well, I suppose if Catholics and Muslims serve the same god and you keep insisting you do we can understand the pope kissing the Quran. The moon god of the Muslims with it’s crescent moon symbol does fit with the crescent moon of the monstranse also. The similarities do become obvious don’t they.
Joh 5:22-23 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: (23) That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.Those who reject Jesus reject God. Muslims give Him lip service as a prophet while at the same time rejecting everything He taught about Himself. In making this judgment against Jesus' teachings, they have in fact rejected Jesus Himself, and therefore reject the Father. This is why they follow in the murderous ways of their true father, Satan.
Now that's what I call pathetic. I thought I said to put down the Hislop.
That desperate defense is contrary to the objectivity you conveyed in your testimony, as the fact remains that the CCC plainly states that "together with us they adore the one, merciful God," and which other RCs honestly see as a real problem.
Nor can there be any reading "profess" into the latter part, which is the usual RC recourse. Or making the Muslims into those who simply worship some unknown, unnamed undefined god in contrast to a named defined deity, (Acts 17:22) but it cannot be true of Islam as a whole, which is what V2 and the CCC affirms as worshiping God. And trying to spin "adore" into something less than worship is more desperate. .
The only explanation that would only be credible would be admitting the liberal faction of V2 worked that in there, and like many conservative RCs contend. But as there is more that needs to be rejected in order to hold to saving Truth, just this rejection would only leave them as lost as before.
To 609.
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They are serious. About defending their elitist proud church at cost to their own credibility.
It's in their catechism.
To be good Cathlics, they HAVE to adhere to it.
Ahhh, the "beauty of the church"
OK. Instead of just telling him he’s wrong and expecting us to accept that with no supporting evidence on your part, how about you tell him where and why you think he’s wrong and back up your position with Scripture?
And not just little snippets taken out of context either.
Show us with multiple passages, taken in context.
Is that Raggedy Andy behind the priest? Sort of overshadowed by the female clown, true, but I think it actually is. Which liturgy involves a female clown and Raggedy Andy? Halloween?
Sounds more like schizophrenia to me.....
I’d agree if it wasn’t so synchronous. There must be a trigger or signal of some sort.
It’s irrelevant what muslims claim or profess.
The problem is that the Roman Catholic church says that they and the muslims worship the same God together with the Catholic church.
It’s right there in the CCC.
Because that is used to try to read "profess into "together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day,” but which simply is no there. Rather it plainly affirms Muslims adore the one merciful God together with RCs.
Others see this but as seen in another thread, they try to make it mean "They shoot their arrow in the right direction (toward the “God of Abraham”), but they do not understand the target and their bow is too weak because their bow lacks the power of grace." Or they say the mag. cannot be authoritative about what Muslims teach/believe" in any definitive sense.
Desperate defend-Rome-at-any-cost (DRAAC) .
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