Posted on 09/02/2014 5:23:49 PM PDT by HarleyD
I don't see where we are the children of God before we become Christians...We are not 'born' of God until we are saved...We are part of the creation...Just like the cows...
Naw...The Ten Commandments are summarized by those two new laws...
I see where I mixed my two and ten :)
But those aren’t two new laws or commands.
They were both in Torah. Deuteronmy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18.
It was just The Living Word verifying the Written Word..
The broad misinterpretation of scripture that you have under your belt ignores the assumptions that the apostles always made when they offered those statements:
True belief in Yeshua, which few here have demonstrated. Belief as stressed in John’s first epistle: If you do not keep his commandments you are not in him. If you are not in him, you will not be saved.
You must walk as he walked to be in him.
>> “The Ten Commandments are summarized by those two new laws.” <<
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As John said, no new commandment, but the old commandment.
Yeshua gave us no new commandment.
We are not “born of God” until our new body is our dwelling place. (at the 7th trump, everyone saved at the same event)
Being faithful is obeying his commandments.
I did show the letter in Acts, and have done so scores of times.
In view of these tremendous facts, don’t let anyone worry you by criticising what you eat or drink, or what holy days you ought to observe, or bothering you over new moons or sabbaths. All these things have at most only a symbolical value: the solid fact is Christ. Nor let any man cheat you of your joy in Christ by persuading you to make yourselves “humble” and fall down and worship angels. Such a man, inflated by an unspiritual imagination, is pushing his way into matters he knows nothing about, and in his cleverness forgetting his head. It is from the head alone that the body, by natural channels, is nourished and built up and grows according to God’s laws of growth.
20-23 So if, through your faith in Christ, you are dead to the principles of this world’s life, why, as if you were still part and parcel of this world-wide system, do you take the slightest notice of these purely human prohibitions—“Don’t touch this,” “Don’t taste that” and “Don’t handle the other”? “This”, “that” and “the other” will all pass away after use! I know that these regulations look wise with their self-inspired efforts at worship, their policy of self-humbling, and their studied neglect of the body. But in actual practice they do honour, not to God, but to man’s own pride. - Col 2
But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
Please notice the tenses. We do not wait until a future date to be the children of God. We ARE of God’s household!
If we are saved at all, we are saved IN CHRIST, and that is a phrase used repeatedly in the New Testament to describe us.
” Concerning election and predestination, we might use the analogy of a great ship on its way to heaven. The ship (the church) is chosen by God to be his very own vessel. Christ is the Captain and Pilot of this ship. All who desire to be a part of this elect ship and its Captain can do so through a living faith in Christ, by which they come on board the ship. As long as they are on the ship, in company with the ship’s Captain, they are among the elect. If they choose to abandon the ship and Captain, they cease to be part of the elect. Election is always only in union with the Captain and his ship. Predestination tells us about the ship’s destination and what God has prepared for those remaining on it. God invites everyone to come aboard the elect ship through faith in Jesus Christ.”
I know of no one who observes the New Moons, Sabbaths or feasts who are still offering the meat and drink offerings that are detailed in 2 0collossians and Ezekiel 45:17, as each of this had special ordinances attached to them..
I certainly believe scripture confirms that no more offerings are needed.. those were nailed to the cross..
There seems a word or two missing from your version that you may find in ezekiel .
And if one thinks New Moons and Sabbaths were nailed to the cross,
One has to ignore the Millennial Kingdom propechies of Ezekiel 46:1 and Isaiah 66 when both prophets are quoting our Sovereign specifically saying New Moons and Sabbaths will be around..
And no wonder, the Messiah’s major life events occured on New Moons, Sabbaths and Feasts.
Those were nailed to the cross, laid in the tomb,and they rose again...and without those old testament prophets you could hang your whole vain philosophy on one verse..
And if you understand those and His timekeeping, you will reject the traditions of men and world conformity you have allowed to lead your work and worship life.
His calendar is a far better calendar then your Pope’s calendar..
It points to the Son, not the sun..
So does those New Moons, Sabbaths and Feasts that Christendom has created their own substitutes for..
And there are scriptures that prove they are not going anywhere.. your Thor’s day and Friya day and Woden’s day and december 25 and easter will be going bye bye.
Those counterfeits will go where the master counterfeiter will go- the pit for those 1000 years.
Be careful what you cling to here..
Not in THIS thread!
Some Lurkers may have MISSed the other times you, ahem, showed it, so I'll do it here.
The apostles and elders, your brothers,To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:Greetings.24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.You will do well to avoid these things.Farewell.
Matthew 23:1-3,23
The sad honest truth is that it is our inclination not to obey his commands.
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Deu 31:19 "Now therefore write this song and teach it to the people of Israel. Put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the people of Israel.
Deu 31:20 For when I have brought them into the land flowing with milk and honey, which I swore to give to their fathers, and they have eaten and are full and grown fat, they will turn to other gods and serve them, and despise me and break my covenant.
Deu 31:21 And when many evils and troubles have come upon them, this song shall confront them as a witness (for it will live unforgotten in the mouths of their offspring). For I know what they are inclined to do even today, before I have brought them into the land that I swore to give."
The real question is why aren't we always obedient if it's not hard? We are told by God Himself that our inclination is to be disobedient. The commandments serve as a testimony to our disobedience. It exposes our true nature. This is our sin nature and our need for our Lord Jesus. We pled with the Spirit to help conform us to the obedience of His word and to quench our rebellious nature.
You are genuinely weird. You also contradict the Apostles. I’ll cling to the Word of God. If you choose to cling to something else, and be built on a foundation of Jewish feasts that pointed to Christ but that were not the reality...then it won’t be me who pays the price.
“11-14 We may go further. If it be possible to bring men to spiritual maturity through the Levitical priestly system (for that is the system under which the people were given the Law), why does the necessity arise for another priest to make his appearance after the order of Melchizedek, instead of following the normal priestly calling of Aaron? For if there is a transference of priestly powers, there will necessarily follow an alteration of the Law regarding priesthood. He who is described as our High Priest belongs to another tribe, no member of which had ever attended the altar! For it is a matter of history that our Lord was a descendant of Judah, and Moses made no mention of priesthood in connection with that tribe.
15-17 How fundamental is this change becomes all the more apparent when we see this other priest appearing according to the Melchizedek pattern, and deriving his priesthood not by virtue of a command imposed from outside, but from the power of indestructible life within. For the witness to him, as we have seen, is: ‘You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.’
18-19 Quite plainly, then, there is a definite cancellation of the previous commandment because of its ineffectiveness and uselessness—the Law was incapable of bringing anyone to real maturity—followed by the introduction of a better hope, through which we approach our God...
...26-27 Here is the High Priest we need. A man who is holy, faultless, unstained, beyond the very reach of sin and lifted to the very Heavens. There is no need for him, like the High Priest we know, to offer up sacrifice, first for our own sins and then for the people’s. He made one sacrifice, once for all, when he offered up himself.
28 The Law makes for its High Priests men of human weakness. But the word of the oath, which came after the Law, makes for High Priest the Son, who is perfect for ever!...
...8-12 Actually, however, God does show himself dissatisfied for he says to those under the first agreement: ‘Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in my covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. None of them shall teach his neighbour, and none his brother, saying, Know the Lord, for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more’.
13 The mere fact that God speaks of a new covenant or agreement makes the old one out of date. And when a thing grows weak and out of date it is obviously soon going to be dispensed with altogether.”
“8-10 After saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin you did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are made according to the Law), Christ then says, “Behold, I have come to do your will, O God.” That means he is dispensing with the old order of sacrifices, and establishing a new order of obedience to the will of God, and in that will we have been made holy by the single unique offering of the body of Christ.
11-16 Every human priest stands day by day performing his religious duties and offering time after time the same sacrifices—which can never actually remove sins. But this man, after offering one sacrifice for sins for ever, took his seat at God’s right hand, from that time offering no more sacrifice, but waiting until “his enemies be made his footstool”. For by virtue of that one offering he has perfected for all time every one whom he makes holy. The Holy Spirit himself endorses this truth for us, when he says, first: ‘This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them’.
17 And then, he adds, ‘Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more’.
18 Where God grants remission of sin there can be no question of making further atonement.”
The greco roman latin churches traditions have replaced scripture and has placed emphasis on days that are not biblical.
That isn’t sola scriptura.. that is sola popa..
And our Messiah mentions traditions rather boldly:
Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
The greco roman latin traditions lose in the end. Christmas will be shown to be a phony, just like easter.. and our Heavenly Father is really trying to help people with this considering the big fat jolly man in the red suit and a six foot tall bunny are the symbols of those days..
I mean, sooner or later, Christians will get the hint and flee Babylon..
And when they can be countered with actual scriptural evidence, they really get exposed as counterfeits, right down to the very greco roman latin name for the savior.
You are free to worship counterfeits.. the world is set up for it..
I will look forward to His Kingdom rule and observe His calendar that reveals His creative and redemptive work..the world is not currently set up for this.
Today in your world, it is a Friya Goddess day. A counterfeit pope gregory day that gives honor to some goddess we don’t know much about.. TGIF comes to mind..
On His calendar, it is the second day of the week. We can look to Scripture to see what wonders He performed on His second day for us..
Not sure what Friya does for us to get a day to herself every week but since people work and worship from it, maybe someone can let me know..
We can both be in the world and yet not be conformed to it...
Our choice.. His command... choose you this day who you will serve...
HalleluYah!
I apologize for the “weird” comment. It was uncalled for and unacceptable. Please forgive me. I sometimes type without thinking - a bad habit I need to work on. I’m sorry.
“Today in your world, it is a Friya Goddess day.”
Today, in my world, it is Friday. I suppose I could call it something different, but then no one would know what I was talking about.
I use language to communicate. No one I’ve ever met believes in a goddess Friya, or links it to “Friday”.
“The name Friday comes from the Old English Frigedaeg, meaning the “day of Frigg”, a result of an old convention associating the Old English goddess Frigg with the Roman goddess Venus, with whom the day is associated in many different cultures. The same holds for Fratag in Old High German, Freitag in Modern German and vrijdag in Dutch.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday
It is a word from English, not from the Pope. TGIF is not a form of worship, just happiness that the typical work week has come to an end.
Fridays are the second day of the week? Did you mistype there?
I thought, even according to the Jews, Fridays were the 6th day of the week.
In other words I know of no religion that isn’t synchronized on the days of the week. They may call them different names, but they will all say “Sunday is the first day” or “Wendesday is the 4th day”.
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