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Weep for slaughtered Christians, not for dialogue with Islam
Catholic Culture.org ^ | August 29, 2014 | By Phil Lawler

Posted on 08/30/2014 11:23:26 AM PDT by Salvation

Weep for slaughtered Christians, not for dialogue with Islam

By Phil Lawler | Aug 29, 2014

Faced with the savage violence of the Islamic State (ISIS), Christians can be tempted toward two unhelpful emotional reactions.

 

On one extreme is the thirst for vengeance. If Muslims extremists kill innocent Christians, intemperate voices suggest that we should kill innocent Muslims. Then we, too, would be terrorists. I trust that rational readers recognize the problem here.

But at the other extreme is another irrational urge: the desire to overlook the violence, an inclination toward the mawkish hope that we might “just all be friends.” No doubt motivated by an ardent desire for peace, and steeped in the practices of irenicism, the Christians who fall into this trap probably confirm Islamic terrorists in their belief that the Christian West is too weak to resist them.

Thus last week Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga said that he feared the brutal persecution of Christians by the Islamic State “may push back advancements in the Christian-Muslim dialogue.”

No doubt that’s true. But the leaders of the Islamic State don’t care.

The public statements released by ISIS leaders do not mention any desire for dialogue, to put it mildly. And their reprehensible policies match their bellicose statements. They have no desire to share ideas with Iraqi Christians; they want to annihilate them. Their ultimate goal is not reach a peaceful understanding with the Western world, but to subjugate it.

At a time when Islamic militants are engaged in the wholesale slaughter of their Christian neighbors, a Catholic prelate who worries aloud about setbacks to “dialogue” seems grossly detached from reality. Dialogue and negotiation are always preferable to open warfare. (It was Winston Churchill—no pacifist, he—who observed: “To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war.”) But once the bloodshed has begun, it is inane to suggest that the negotiations are not going well.

Unfortunately that vapid statement by Cardinal Rodriguez Maradiaga cannot be dismissed lightly. At the time he was speaking as the president of Caritas International, but he is also the chairman of the Council of Cardinals, and his public statements might be taken (or mistaken, I hope) as indicative of Vatican policy. Muslim militants would no doubt be delighted to think that when shown the severed heads of their brethren in Iraq, leaders of the Catholic Church can respond only by fretting about missed opportunities for dialogue.

And the Honduran cardinal was not finished. In fact, the quote above is cut off in mid-sentence. He went on to lament that the bloody advance of ISIS could “destroy the peaceful coexistence…enjoyed by many Muslims and Christians in all parts of the world, but most especially in the Middle East.” Here the poor cardinal comes completely unmoored from reality. It is “most especially in the Middle East” that Muslims and Christians have not lived in harmony in recent years.

For decades Lebanon furnished a model for Christian-Muslim coexistence. But that arrangement broke down 30 years ago, and the country remains in chaos. In other countries of the region—Egypt, Syria, and Iraq, for instance—Christians have worshipped freely, with only occasional troubles, in the past. But with the rise of militant Islam the peace has been broken. What Cardinal Rodriguez Maradiaga says could happen, actually has happened, many months or in some places many years ago.

Pope Benedict XVI recognized the problem when he delicately suggested, in his Regensburg address, that in order to engage in productive dialogue, Islam must overcome its tendency toward the irrational use of force. The violent reaction to that speech proved the Pope’s point. Even “moderate” Islamic leaders slammed the door on the Vatican, refusing to engage in discussions with an institution that might hold them accountable.

In the eight years since the Regensburg address, the continued rise of militant Islam—invariably linked with violence, and with the denial of fundamental human rights—has underlined the concerns that Pope Benedict expressed. Yet rather than pressing the argument that the Pontiff raised, Church leaders have generally backpedaled away from it. Rather than demanding that responsible Muslim leaders join in the campaign against terrorism, prelates pretend that there is no connection between Islamic faith and terrorist violence.

Cardinal Rodriguez Maradiaga is not alone in this respect. The US bishops’ conference, in statement released shortly after the brutal murder of James Foley was posted on the internet, reiterated the desire for dialogue with Islam and lamented that some Catholics have lost interest in that inter-faith conversation. The statement continued:

We understand the confusion and deep emotions stirred by real and apparent acts of aggression and discrimination by certain Muslims against non-Muslims, often against Christians abroad.

Would it be possible to state the case in milder, meeker—or more to the point, weaker—terms? To speak of “confusion” and “real and apparent” violence, at a time when hundreds of Christians are dying and the decapitation of an American is playing on YouTube, is a disservice to the truth. It is, moreover, a sure-fire way to convince any listening terrorists that the Catholic Church lacks the will to resist them, and most Americans that the hierarchy has nothing useful to contribute to this discussion.

To be fair, the bishops’ statement did eventually get around to mentioning “our sadness, even our outrage,” at the violence in the Islamic world. But even in that sentence, the representatives of the US bishops’ conference could not resist saying that Muslims, too, are the targets of extremists, and mentioning “the harmony that binds us together in mutual support, recognition, and friendship."

If there is to be harmony between Islam and Christianity, it must indeed by based on mutual support. And today, “mutual support” requires, at a minimum, a loud, firm, unequivocal, and sustained condemnation of all those who kills Christians in the name of Islam, and all those who support them.

In today’s Wall Street Journal the paper’s former publisher, Karen House, argues that American should expect more from her allies in the Middle East. The title of her editorial colum tells the story: “It’s time for the Saudis to Stand Up.”

Leaders of the Catholic Church should take a parallel approach in conversations with their Islamic counterparts. Tell Muslim clerics that it’s time to stand up. Tell them that we are interested in dialogue, but only if they disassociate themselves completely from those who incite, commit, or justify sectarian violence.

It’s easy enough to say that Islam is a religion of peace. But sometimes, paradoxically, it is necessary to fight for peace. Once the fight has begun, it’s time to choose sides.



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Prayer
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Very wrong.


21 posted on 08/30/2014 1:40:27 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Amazing links there.


22 posted on 08/30/2014 1:41:51 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
I'm sure the Catechism states there is a thing as a just war and a time for conflict when all other reasonable efforts for peace become futile.

The Pope himself has called on the world to ‘do something’ about the butchery against Christians by uslimes, implying military or warlike action.

Church teaching doesn't change no matter what a man says. Or woman for that matter.

23 posted on 08/30/2014 1:51:10 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: MichaelCorleone
What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Just War [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]

24 posted on 08/30/2014 1:57:01 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

What Christians need to do is insure that the Muslims pay a bigger toll in their Christian killing raids than what they get.

They are going to be killed any way so why should they be afraid to fight back?

If your enemy is coming at you with an ax there is nothing to consider except get them first.


25 posted on 08/30/2014 2:02:07 PM PDT by ravenwolf (s)
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To: Salvation

I’ve said before that I have long ago come to despise words like “dialogue”, “collaboration”, “social justice”, etc., etc., just to name a few. There are many more— catch phrases that shout socialism, and broadly label the Catholic heirarchy as thoroughly detached-from-reality— laughable, and discredited.

Worse, the aforementioned words are usually applied to killers, killing, or to killer nations. Abortion purveyors and providers even borrow the use of these words, along with Marxists and socialist politicians.

These namby pamby words are symptomatic of modernism doing its best to kill the Church in the West. Very painful.


26 posted on 08/30/2014 2:13:33 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Salvation

If anyone finds any “innocent moslems,” I’m fine with not killing them. As long as they abandon their satanic religion.


27 posted on 08/30/2014 2:17:18 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Salvation

I keep telling myself that the current Church crop of “elder statesmen” will be gone soon. I tell myself that the up and coming generation are men who are not under the spell of the “spirit” of Vatican II, and they will lead with a true understanding of what confronts us. Otherwise, we’re lost.


28 posted on 08/30/2014 2:30:14 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is PUBLIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You are not well informed. There is Evangelical-Muslim Dialogue (LINK), and has been for many decades.

Informed enough...Evangelical doesn't automatically mean Christian any more than Catholic does...

29 posted on 08/30/2014 3:02:03 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Salvation
I trust that rational readers recognize the problem here.

Yes rational readers do recognize the problem.

30 posted on 08/30/2014 3:09:17 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Salvation

I support the Popes in their calls for dialogue but more and more understand why the Crusades were called. Pope Benedict did nail the main problem with Islam in Germany in 2006 but didn’t seem to receive a lot of support for speaking the truth in a PC world.


31 posted on 08/30/2014 3:12:07 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: Iscool

No True Scotsman!


32 posted on 08/30/2014 3:21:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Fides et Ratio.)
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To: Salvation
The US bishops’ conference, in statement released shortly after the brutal murder of James Foley was posted on the internet, reiterated the desire for dialogue with Islam and lamented that some Catholics have lost interest in that inter-faith conversation.

It is very easy to lose interest when you are dealing with evil. There can be no dialogue. It is like trying to negotiate with a bunch of Orcs!

33 posted on 08/30/2014 3:57:28 PM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: Salvation
Tell them that we are interested in dialogue, but only if they disassociate themselves completely from those who incite, commit, or justify sectarian violence.

"Let believers not take for friends and allies infidels instead of believers. Whoever does this shall have no relationship left with Allah – unless you but guard yourselves against them, taking precautions." (Quran 3:28; see also 2:173; 2:185; 4:29; 22:78; 40:28.)

How can there ever be sincere dialogue between Christians who abide by the Eighth Commandment and Muslims who engage in taqiyya?

Jesus charges us to "Be ye therefore wise as serpents and simple as doves". This requires the wisdom to recognize the basic fact that practitioners of taquiyya are too deceptive to engage in honest dialogue with Christians.

Contrasting "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" Quran (8:12) vs. the statement from the US Bishops Conference: "We understand the confusion and deep emotions stirred by real and apparent acts of aggression and discrimination by certain Muslims against non-Muslims, often against Christians abroad" underscores the ludicrous disconnect between naive, delusional churchmen and the bloody reality of Islam which is on display daily right outside their ivory towers. Their wimpy, foolish statement reduces the existential struggle between the followers of Christ and the religion of pieces to a stream of psycho-babble.

34 posted on 08/30/2014 4:21:59 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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Islam is a war plan.


35 posted on 08/30/2014 5:12:55 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: MichaelCorleone

There is a just war, and the war against these radical militias (of which ISIS is the best known, but not the only one) is by definition just.

Some of the Christians in Syria have been fighting very hard, and giving their lives in the struggle against evil. However, they under sanctions, by the UN and EU. The Western world has supported these militias time and again - that is what needs to stop. Recognised governments, such as of Libya and Syria, have been put down in favor of the rights of insurgents. The Christian did not seem to notice the ill-effects of this, until it spread into Iraq.


36 posted on 08/31/2014 1:16:47 AM PDT by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: Salvation
I pray or them.
PRAYERS.
37 posted on 08/31/2014 6:45:20 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Salvation; All

I was going through the Catholic News Service this morning, I found this story from 2008 where a Chaldean Bishop was kidnapped and killed and one can read the story for itself.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801432.htm

That war is a maze, now we have a moral responsibility. It’s all very troubling. But back in 2003, I guess Pat (Buchanan) was right.


38 posted on 08/31/2014 10:06:52 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: BeadCounter

I posted something yesterday about praying the Rosary. Let me find it.


39 posted on 08/31/2014 10:11:45 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: BeadCounter; nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; ...

CATHOLIC ALMANAC

Saturday, August 30

Liturgical Color: Green

On this day in 1884 Pope Leo XIII issued
the encyclical Superiore Anno urging all
the faithful to pray the rosary for the
Church. He said in times of trial, the
Rosary is the best way to gain God’s
blessings for the Church and her
members.


40 posted on 08/31/2014 10:15:45 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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