WHERE have you BEEN?
These C vs P wars have been going on a LONG time!
Can be found hanging from many rearview mirrors
Posted on 08/24/2014 4:45:06 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
That's clearly not the case, though, since so many people who pretend they're Christian swear Luther was right to throw part of the Old Testament in the garbage while the Holy Spirit didn't lead the Apostles to do so which means Christ lied when He said the Holy Spirit would guide the Apostles to all Truth.
Just goes to show you that once people swallow the heresy Self and Self Alone disguised as modern Protestantism they believe and preach one lie after another whether it's about unicorns, purple cows, or calling Jesus Christ a liar.
Finally, an answer to Narses’ cereal...and much funnier. First time I’ve seen “ROIOS,” it occasioned a real belly laugh, I almost fell off my chair. Bitter herbs indeed!
By the way, couldn’t make out what the “free decal inside” is supposed to be. Some sort of RCC graven image?
And yet the 1611 KJV has all your precious, specious books in it!
I wonder how??
WHERE have you BEEN?
These C vs P wars have been going on a LONG time!
Can be found hanging from many rearview mirrors
Then you may wish to try the sugar coated stuff...
I thought ROIOS now comes with extra tares.
Yes, I have heard of it, but have you??? Do you somehow imagine an Alexandrian instigated translation of the Hebrew Old Testament Scriptures into Greek at all proves the Apocryphal books are inspired? You DO realize, don't you, that those books were ALREADY in the Greek language, were NEVER part of the Hebrew canon and there is proof that they were ADDED long after the Septuagint was completed??? We can learn that:
Your biggest problem with trying to assert canonicity of the Apocryphal books based on their presence in the Septuagint is the fact that not all of the books supposedly in the Septuagint were nor are part of the canon today. From http://www.truthnet.org/Bible-Origins/6_The_Apocrypha_The_Septugint/index.htm:
When referring to the Old Testament, there are four classes of literature.
Books accepted by all- Homologoumena
Books disputed by some- Antilegomena
Books rejected by all- Pseudepigrapha
Books accepted by some- Apocrypha
Thanks for pointing out that the early King James Version was proud of the fact that they denied the perfection and Deity of both the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ.
So where is the phrase *mother of God with us* show up in Scripture?
However, I'd suggest a little further research on Luther's views:
The next tidbit offered by Marshall is the following Luther quote:
The sermon was taken down in notes and published with Luther’s approval. The same statements concerning the Immaculate Conception still remain in a printed edition published in 1529, but in later editions which appeared during Luther’s lifetime they disappear.
The reason for their disappearance is that as Luther’s Christocentric theology developed, aspects of Luther’s Mariology were abandoned. Grisar also recognizes the development in Luther's theology. In regards to the Luther quote in question, Grisar says (from a Roman Catholic perspective):
As Luther’s intellectual and ethical development progressed we cannot naturally expect the sublime picture of the pure Mother of God, the type of virginity, of the spirit of sacrifice and of sanctity to furnish any great attraction for him, and as a matter of fact such statements as the above are no longer met with in his later works.
Did Martin Luther believe in the Immaculate Conception of Mary?
It wasn't part of the Old Testament to the Nation that was charged with keeping and preserving all the oracles of God...
And so up shows a group of Africans who say the Jews are wrong and you guys follow them into the ditch...And you're still following them centuries later...I (and Luther) will trust God on this one...
Aren't some of them bobble-heads stuck to the dashboard???
I’m surprised there are no free indulgences inside...Maybe on the next batch...
No, I’m not still Lutheran. I came to believe in Jesus as a child, but learned little more than the Gospel. The Lutheran Church never taught us the whole Bible. We weren’t told to read it and taught to memorize Scripture. Most people in the church wouldn’t have been able to recognize any but a handful of the most famous passages of Scripture, although Scripture was read every Sunday.
Once I was an adult and with full awareness accepted who Jesus is and what He did for me, then I looked around for a church, but after the Lutheran, which was all I knew, I didn’t really want one if they were like that. That’s when I tried the Catholic Church, and it seemed promising then. People exchanged “peace” and I thought that was great. I thought it was fellowship after coming from the Lutheran. But no one ever spoke to me and I had no clue about anything, and something still was unsatisfying about. I’d only read Genesis, Exodus and the Gospels, but I began reading the Gospels over and over and the Catholic (Cont’d)
Church seemed to have pretty much the same problem as the Lutheran that I’d left. It didn’t seem to have the same spirit as what I found in the Gospels. At that point I may have heard some of the Christian objections to the Catholic Church but didn’t understand them or really the differences between any of the denominations.
Then a few years later, though, when I was pretty much a liberal Christian and Democrat, as well as an identified lesbian, I happened to hear of Christianity.com Forums. One thing I had recently come to accept was that the Bible was all true, although I hadn’t read it all or intended to. But a few times I saw people mention “the whole armor of God,” and needing to put it on, and one time the thought came to me that I didn’t know really good and useful things like that which were apparently in the Bible and other people used and turned to for help when needed. So by the grace of God I decided right then to read the Bible and His Word took over my life and turned it into (Cont’d)
That would be true only if one believed Jesus is God. Although the majority of Christians believe that, not all do.
His Garden, is how I see it. My whole life and His Word are joined. And to go back to something you said, I was not interested in fellowship *instead* of Christ but because of Christ. I believed in Jesus since I was young but without more mature Christians to help me along, even just to point me to the Bible, I didn’t know where to turn or what to do, and tried out so much that just came along.
Glad you found your way through part of the Garden of the bible, But the stones and Briars might cause stumbling if you don’t get the entire truth that John mentions — Holy Tradition. The things that there was no room to write down.
You belive in Scripture, correct?
Then why don't you believe this?
John 21: (We'll be using the KJV today to keep things on even footing): "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."
The Bible Itself declares that it doesn't contain everything.
Matthew 1 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
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