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OKLAHOMA CITY: Lawsuit filed against those attempting Satanic event with consecrated Host
WDTPRS ^ | August 21, 2014 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 08/21/2014 1:10:45 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 08/21/2014 1:10:45 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 08/21/2014 1:11:05 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

The court will not do a thing about this.


3 posted on 08/21/2014 1:17:07 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: NYer

interesting legal effort.

it could help if we knew how the Host got into the Satan people’s hands?


4 posted on 08/21/2014 1:34:44 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: NYer

I wonder....theological question...

if indeed the Satan people have a consecrated Host, however obtained....

can the RCC simply “de-consecrate” it?
(theologically speaking)

then it would just be a simple cracker and it couldn’t be desecrated

just asking.... thanks


5 posted on 08/21/2014 1:36:38 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: NYer

This is silly. It will be defeated.


6 posted on 08/21/2014 1:41:40 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: faithhopecharity

>> can the RCC simply “de-consecrate” it?

Nope.


7 posted on 08/21/2014 1:42:05 PM PDT by Campion
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To: NYer
“If anyone obtains the host for sacrilegious purpose, they are violating the tenets by which the Eucharist is governed in the context of our Church,” 

Okay, but Satanists aren't governed by the Church and the court cannot force them to be.

The legal argument of the host being property is a very interesting one. (I'm not Catholic, so please forgive my ignorance about the Eucharist.) How would this be any different from asking the court to make someone hand over a Bible, which is God's Holy Word and sacred to Christianity. Couldn't we claim that a Bible is property of the Church since our (the) God inspired it and our saints and prophets wrote it?

8 posted on 08/21/2014 1:47:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Campion

Why not?


9 posted on 08/21/2014 1:49:05 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: faithhopecharity
it could help if we knew how the Host got into the Satan people’s hands?

According to this article, leader Adam Daniels claims:

"One of my priests in a foreign country is also a Catholic priest and he is the one who consecrated it himself and mailed it to me, and I’m not going to reveal his name and I’m not going to reveal what country he’s from," Daniels said in a phone interview Wednesday.

Since Satan is the Prince of Lies and Adam Daniels is his servant, I strongly doubt his statement.

10 posted on 08/21/2014 1:51:19 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Good luck with this. Eric Holder will probably personally help the Satan worshippers carry the Host to their black Mass, and cover it all up Waco-style. Broncobama will probably make a statement on their behalf in between rounds of golf. And George Soros is probably already giving the Satan worshippers money for a legal defense.


11 posted on 08/21/2014 1:51:46 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: faithhopecharity

Considering God consecrated it in the first place, it might be a little tricky for man to undo His work.


12 posted on 08/21/2014 1:53:44 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: faithhopecharity

maybe they just bought a case at Host Depot?

I mean, someone has to sell it, right? So they’ll just say they bought some from some guy somewhere. Prove otherwise.


13 posted on 08/21/2014 2:09:29 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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His Excellency Most Reverend Paul Coakley, Archbishop of Oklahoma City

Wow...I'll bet God has to bow down to that guy...

Fortunately the Constitution prevents the gov't from making laws against people for violating one religion's superstitious practices...So once you give one of those wafers away, it is no longer owned by the person who gave it, regardless of your religion's laws...

How could Jesus be so powerless to not being able to prevent himself from being put into the hands of Satanists???

And what happens if one accidentally (or intentionally) drops Jesus into a toilet??? Can not Jesus jump out of the wafer before he goes down the drain??? (Hold your breath Jesus...)

And how about when a priest drops Jesus and accidentally steps on him and crushes him??? Oops, sorry Jesus???

14 posted on 08/21/2014 2:10:57 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: NYer

Give them all of the attention possible, that is what they are after.

Personally I think it is nuts.


15 posted on 08/21/2014 2:14:15 PM PDT by ravenwolf (s)
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To: Iscool

And what happens if one accidentally (or intentionally) drops Jesus into a toilet??? Can not Jesus jump out of the wafer before he goes down the drain??? (Hold your breath Jesus...)


Exactly the way I see it, and due to the attention they are bringing to the satanic church it might be twice as large next year.


16 posted on 08/21/2014 2:22:59 PM PDT by ravenwolf (s)
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To: Iscool
How could Jesus be so powerless to not being able to prevent himself from being put into the hands of Satanists?

"If he were really God, he would have gotten down off that Cross."

17 posted on 08/21/2014 2:37:07 PM PDT by Campion
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Attorneys for the Archdiocese of Oklahoma City filed a lawsuit at noon today [20 Aug] to stop the satanic black mass that organizers are planning to stage next month in the Oklahoma City Civic Center Music Hall. The lawsuit asks the Oklahoma County Sheriff‘s Office to retrieve the consecrated host that the event‘s organizers claim to have, and return it to Oklahoma City Archbishop Paul Coakley. The lawsuit also argues that the consecrated host was obtained under fraudulent circumstances, and thus it must be returned to the archdiocese. “Our contention is that they are in possession of stolen property,” Archbishop Coakley told the Register. “They cannot complete their satanic ritual without a consecrated host, and they have no means of acquiring one except through theft. We are asking the court to order them to return it immediately to me....”

....Father Fox writes that the Catholic Church “maintains ownership of all consecrated hosts throughout the world,” and that to Catholics, the consecrated host, making the person of Jesus Christ himself physically present, “is the most sacred, respected and revered thing in the world.”

Whaaaa.....? The Catholic Church owns the Body and Blood of Christ?

But seriously, how much is a consecrated host worth? I would think that, at best, the theft of a single host would be considered a misdemeanor crime. The value of a group of consecrated hosts, including the cost of the tabernacle they were held in, had previously been established via insurance claims to be no greater than $4,000.

18 posted on 08/21/2014 2:38:57 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: NYer
This won't be the first, last or only Black Mass ever held.
Humans have the free choice to choose Satan. It's their God-given gift.

Let'em.
The horror and shame of it only brings NORMAL Catholics (1.09 billion Catholics in the world) CLOSER to Jesus in the GENUINE Mass .

Also, knowing our hateful media, the Black Mass "event" will be covered like nobody's business. The mainstream media has always hated, deplored, loathed, detested, disliked and otherwise abhorred Catholics and evangelicals.

Nothing new here.

19 posted on 08/21/2014 2:52:38 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Campion
"If he were really God, he would have gotten down off that Cross."

Yes, the Jews watching the Crucifixion said that. Their idea of the Messiah was different.

20 posted on 08/21/2014 2:53:50 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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