Posted on 08/17/2014 10:21:22 AM PDT by wmfights
About what?
Strange...
Let's try that...
2Co_5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
We are confident, I say, to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Act 21:13 Then Paul answered, What mean ye to weep and to break mine heart? for I am ready not to be bound only, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.
Php 1:20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
Php 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
Php 1:22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
Php 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
Seems Paul was awful anxious to die (just so he could go spend a couple thousand years in the ground?)...
Luk_23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Thanks all for the replies on this thread. I think I’m hopelessly behind in the conversation though so I don’t think I could catch up to comment well. So I’ll just sit this out for now and activate Lurker Mode on this one. Maybe next round!
Thanks again,
A different son, a wandering one, met him along the way. With both in need, of rest and feed, approached the end of day.
They each desired, for they were tired, a fare that each could pay.
The first and then the new, an Irishman and a Jew, took their appointed places. The Irish said, "The Galway bred don't love to help the rover."
Answered the Jew, "since I am new, I'll take the second spot. If one they choose, then both won't lose and one will have his cot."
So separately, and equally, they waited each their turn. Approaching shrouds, the threatening clouds, promised each of them a shower.
The rain did fall, and cast a pall, on every hopeful thought. As night approached and cold encroached, for them there was no shelter. It chilled the bone, they crouched alone, beneath the windy torrents.
Each begged a ride, and did not hide, their plight from passersby. Who did not care, as unaware, what tender mercies buy. With lads and lasses, attending masses, no Galway man will stop.
Finally came a priest, and he at least, would help so thought the Jew. But he looked away, as if to say, your fate does not concern me. Then loudly cried the Jew, as by the Catholic flew, "How can you do this ?"
The car ground to a halt. The priest backed up. The Jew felt a surge of hope and joy and asked the priest if the Irish could get in the ark too. The priest took them both to the inn, of which he did not approve, for men and women shared that inn.
All of them poor, they opened the door to light, and warmth, and shelter, and hot Irish tea.
>>was Golda Meir part of Israel?<≤≤p> God is not dealing with Israel as a nation at this point other than gathering them back to their land in preparation for when the church is taken from this earth. In that regard your question is I material to the salvation of Golda. Therefore it matters not that she is part of Israel or not. It was a question from ignorance.
Your second question was;
>>was Golda Meir saved, assuming she never believed in Jesus?<≤≤p> During this dispensation of grace there is only one way to salvation. That is through faith in Christ alone. So once again your question was one of ignorance since no one can know whether or not she had a that faith. Your attempt to get people to play God was not from the Holy Spirit although it was from a spirit.
Well done!!
Nothing indicates that a person WILL be with the Lord immediately after death.<<
Thank you for posting that. "Asleep" takes on a whole new meaning with that in mind.
Did Paul not write THIS???
1 Thessalonians 4:15-77
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
Sounds mighty EXPLICIT to me.
(I've always assumed that Paul was going to be one of those 'dead in Christ'.)
'Him' is NOT Paul; and 'today'??? Jesus was in Paradise?
Just WHERE is THAT?
Jesus said: " Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
But that is the exact message of John’s first epistle, and chapter 2 of Paul’s epistle to the Romans.
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I am convinced that our soul/spirit goes to heaven the second we die...That leaves our worthless dead bodies in the ground, or scattered with the winds...As such, I have no problem with the scripture you quoted...
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
It is clear here to me that Paul does not mean actual sleep...He uses 'sleep' as a metaphor for being dead to show that the time spent in the ground is not permanent...'We shall not all sleep'...The inference is that we shall not all die...
Since Paul tells 'me' that we will be present with the Lord at the moment of death, those in the ground are only bodies, void of soul and spirit...They can not go to heaven because they are corrupt...Are the souls of Christians corrupt??? Nope...
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
So back to the top...
When the Rapture takes place, the dead bodies will rise first, be changed from corruptible to incorruptible bodies to be united with our souls in heaven...
After the graves are spread wide open, those of us who have not died will get the ride of our lives...On the way up our bodies will change into glorified bodies and then head due North at the speed of light while shooting past that red Dragon that's in that sea up there (that's another story) and head up to Glory...
Where DO you get your info?
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
I can only assume that this is why modern Jews reject their Messia, Jesus...
John 3:13
“And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”
Where is "under the altar?"
In the parlance of the Revelation, that seems to be where the "dead in Christ" reside.
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well, here we have a good example of the dispensational hokey pokey, put your left in, put left foot out......
start the music:
God is not dealing with Israel as a nation at this point, except he is gathering them to their land ( sounds like dealing with them, but I digress ) now Golda was born in Ukraine so she must have been gathered by God back to the land, so that must make her part of Israel. then we are told whether she is part of Israel or not doesn’t matter for salvation purposes, but Paul tells us in Romans that “all Israel will be saved” so Golda, brought back to her land, must be part of Israel and therefore is saved, but then we are told that in this dispensation of grace, only those who have faith in Christ will be saved, so Golda is not saved, do the hokey pokey.......
now you can see why no other dispensationalist decided to answer my question and even this hokey pokey answer doesn’t contain straight yes or no answers. maybe the Jews in the nation of Israel today are just the “jv team” and real Israel ( when the Christians leave of course ) will be the real Israel.
historical, orthodox Christianity has always taught since Peter spoke in Acts 2, that Jesus is ruling from David’s throne NOW and this Kingdom is ETERNAL ( not 1,000 years )
Isaiah 9:7 and 2 Samuel 7:12-16.
>> “And what happens to the UNbelievers on that Day?” <<
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They get to watch in horror, knowing that the ten days of wrath of the bowl judgments are about to come upon them.
(Oh happy day?)
any dispensational friends wish to tackle something I always wondered?
in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, Paul speaks of the man of lawlessness taking his seat in the “temple of God”
what is this “temple of God”? where can one find it?
There IS a difference between asking a question and getting an answer and ignoring the answers you don't like in order to continue with the charade that little ol' you confounded the Dispies.
>> in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, Paul speaks of the man of lawlessness taking his seat in the “temple of God” <<
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Not a dispy, but the words “Temple of God” are most likely a mistranslation when Paul’s Hebrew letter was translated to Greek. The true words had to be Mercy Seat, or Holy Place, which is where he will stand, atop the Ark of the Covenant, when he makes this declaration.
I do not believe that there will be a temple, unless Antichrist has it built himself.
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I told you I would rest easy in that you would not understand.
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