As it stands, Palmer died a public Protestant, even if in his heart he was Catholic or he had a deathbed baptism. As such, its not proper to give a public requiem to Palmer given the circumstances.
Oh, the irony...
Posted on 08/10/2014 5:38:59 AM PDT by piusv
Father David told us that because Tony [Palmer] was not a Roman Catholic he had to ask his bishop’s permission to celebrate the requiem and though Tony’s wife and children are Roman Catholics, permission still had to be given for the requiem. The bishop agreed but said that Tony could not be buried as a bishop as he was not a Roman Catholic bishop. However, Pope Francis said he should and could be buried as a bishop, and so that put an end to that little bit of ecclesiastical nonsense!”
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He may not have been officially Catholic, but he had little in common with traditional Protestants. He was a PINO. There are many of them running around today.
wait, the dude’s wife and kids are Catholic but he is Pentacostal? How does that work?
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And a word on the subject of PINOs -- Protestantism is based on the premise of breaking off and creating a new assembly pretty much whenever you choose. Thats why there are what, 30000+ denominations? You can create a new Protestant assembly no matter what the circumstances without violating the founding premise, so "PINO" is rather an oxi-moron.
Oh, and you may want to rinse your mouth out -- you used "tradition" and "Protestant" in the same sentence, which I understand is frowned upon by so-called people of the book.
My husband had a Catholic requiem Mass and he wasn’t Catholic. Everyone knew that he wasn’t Catholic...no subterfuge was involved. My Protestant mother had one too.
Good grief.
There’s a remote possibility that he was a bishop, a lot of these continuing Anglicans get themselves ordained/consecrated by Old Catholic bishops (not elderly bishops, but Old Catholics). Regardless it’s just the latest in the continuing scandals of this pontificate... hey, maybe Francis consecrated him!
Mortalium Animos, Pope Pius XI, 1928
Post Vatican II, right?
It’s up to Rome to decide who is or isn’t officially Catholic. That’s not my concern. As misguided as he was, I truly hope Tony Palmer was born again because I know there is nothing that can be done to save his soul now.
My sole objection is the use of the word “Protestant” here. He wasn’t Protestant in any meaningful historic sense of that word so it’s misleading. That term should be defined in relation to a set of historical theological beliefs, not in relation to official standing with Rome.
And of course Protestants have traditions. 500 years is plenty of time to establish tradition. The difference between Protestants and Catholics is that we attempt to never elevate our tradition above the Word of God. We know that truth is found in Scripture, not ourselves.
Also, that claim of 30,000+ Protestant denominations is a whopper regularly thrown out by Catholics who apparently think it means something or that it’s some sort of insult. That figure has been debunked clearly and repeatedly. It’s amusing how the number of Protestant denominations continues to climb. 10-15 years ago I started seeing the number 20,000 thrown out. In recent years I’ve seen some throwing out the number 36,000.
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But learning this did surprise me:
In his 1966 book Theological Highlights of Vatican II, the theologian rejoices at the Council’s new concept of Christian Unity that claims non-Catholics need not convert to the Catholic Church for unity and salvation. He said, “A basic unity – of churches that remain Churches, yet become one Church – must replace the idea of conversion, even though conversion retains its meaningfulness for those in conscience motivated to seek it.”[19] In the new Conciliar system, conversion is an option, not a necessity.
The theologian who celebrated this new approach was a young Father Joseph Ratzinger.
Benedict is not the Traditionalist he’s made out to be.
Do we know if he was baptized before he died. If not physically baptized, did his love for the Lord equal the Baptism of Desire from the Good Thief on the Cross. God is the only one to know.
What we do know is that Pope Francis discouraged Tony Palmer from converting to Catholicism.
Exactly.
As such, its not proper to give a public requiem to Palmer given the circumstances.
Oh, the irony...
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